Comments on: Science and the Recession – Too Early to Detect Some Trends http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4801 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: David Bruggeman http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4801&cpage=1#comment-11430 David Bruggeman Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:21:57 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4801#comment-11430 Mooney was trying to raise the notion that the aphorism Roger mentions - university applications increase - may not hold true this time around. That he made a bad hash out of it is on him. It's still a valid question worth tracking. What smart universities would do, if they have the resources, is to promote their programs toward mid-level/mid-career professionals, as many of them may find themselves without a job in the next couple of years. But since that appears to run completely antithetical to the ethos of most research programs, I won't hold my breath. Mooney was trying to raise the notion that the aphorism Roger mentions – university applications increase – may not hold true this time around. That he made a bad hash out of it is on him. It’s still a valid question worth tracking.

What smart universities would do, if they have the resources, is to promote their programs toward mid-level/mid-career professionals, as many of them may find themselves without a job in the next couple of years. But since that appears to run completely antithetical to the ethos of most research programs, I won’t hold my breath.

]]> By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4801&cpage=1#comment-11428 Roger Pielke, Jr. Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:11:59 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4801#comment-11428 No, not without asking. I have thought that the uptick means that word is getting out on our stellar education and the incredible placements of our grads ;-) More seriously, if the labor market goes south grad schools will almost by definiation see an increase in applicants. At the same time, there is no shortage in production: http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf09307/nsf09307.pdf No, not without asking. I have thought that the uptick means that word is getting out on our stellar education and the incredible placements of our grads ;-)

More seriously, if the labor market goes south grad schools will almost by definiation see an increase in applicants.

At the same time, there is no shortage in production:

http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf09307/nsf09307.pdf

]]> By: David Bruggeman http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4801&cpage=1#comment-11427 David Bruggeman Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:51:25 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4801#comment-11427 To highlight another problem with these early claims, Roger, is there any way to know how many of those applicants are applying due to the recession, in part or in whole? To highlight another problem with these early claims, Roger, is there any way to know how many of those applicants are applying due to the recession, in part or in whole?

]]> By: stan http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4801&cpage=1#comment-11424 stan Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:56:20 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4801#comment-11424 The dating of the rescession from a year ago is so unprecedented as to be bizarre. Given that the economy was still growing, I don't understand how applicants would have had any reason to perceive economic downturn until there was actual evidence of one. The only potential applicants who should have been expected to react to the downturn would be those who were in a position to have made such a decision in the last few months. The dating of the rescession from a year ago is so unprecedented as to be bizarre. Given that the economy was still growing, I don’t understand how applicants would have had any reason to perceive economic downturn until there was actual evidence of one. The only potential applicants who should have been expected to react to the downturn would be those who were in a position to have made such a decision in the last few months.

]]> By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4801&cpage=1#comment-11423 Roger Pielke, Jr. Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:31:46 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4801#comment-11423 I can tell you that our grad program has record applicants for fall, 2009, overwhelmingly so. I can tell you that our grad program has record applicants for fall, 2009, overwhelmingly so.

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