Comments on: Science and the Developing World http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4129 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: TokyoTom http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4129&cpage=1#comment-8461 TokyoTom Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:40:19 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4129#comment-8461 Jim, your own views on adaptation might not be half-hearted, but please show me the conservatives lining up for the difficult task of straightening out governance in the third world. It has long been clear, as you have pointed out, that elites have been strangling economic growth and freedom in these countries for the purposes of maintaining their own dominance and prerogatives. In some ways, we're not much better. Conservatives have long railed at "nation-building", and can be stirred to intervene only if leaders trot out images of mushroom clouds or can otherwise paint a Manichaean struggle between good and evil. In other words, they fight the wrong battles abroad, to the benefit of domestic elites and statist corporations. Meanwhile our sprawling military empire continues its mindless growth. I am afraid I see most policy talk by conservatives about "adaptation" as being a way to avoid bitter medicine altogether, and not an embrace of the difficult tasks of adaptation abroad. Jim, your own views on adaptation might not be half-hearted, but please show me the conservatives lining up for the difficult task of straightening out governance in the third world.

It has long been clear, as you have pointed out, that elites have been strangling economic growth and freedom in these countries for the purposes of maintaining their own dominance and prerogatives. In some ways, we’re not much better. Conservatives have long railed at “nation-building”, and can be stirred to intervene only if leaders trot out images of mushroom clouds or can otherwise paint a Manichaean struggle between good and evil. In other words, they fight the wrong battles abroad, to the benefit of domestic elites and statist corporations. Meanwhile our sprawling military empire continues its mindless growth.

I am afraid I see most policy talk by conservatives about “adaptation” as being a way to avoid bitter medicine altogether, and not an embrace of the difficult tasks of adaptation abroad.

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By: Jim Clarke http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4129&cpage=1#comment-8460 Jim Clarke Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:19:49 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4129#comment-8460 TokyoTom, It is nice to share some common ground with you. One small point... I think you might be underestimating what 'conservative appeals for adaptation' really means. At the core of the call for adaptation is also the recognition that we must promote "economic freedom, transparency and the rule of law..." to make it all work. For the minority voicing this opinion, I do not think there is anything half-hearted about it. The real shame is the short-sightedness of the developing world elites. It will soon be impossible to maintain power by keeping the masses hungry and ignorant (I hope). It is in their best interest (and in fact, always has been) to promote the concepts of economic freedom, transparency and the rule of law in their own countries. Either way, there are interesting times ahead! TokyoTom,

It is nice to share some common ground with you.

One small point… I think you might be underestimating what ‘conservative appeals for adaptation’ really means. At the core of the call for adaptation is also the recognition that we must promote “economic freedom, transparency and the rule of law…” to make it all work. For the minority voicing this opinion, I do not think there is anything half-hearted about it.

The real shame is the short-sightedness of the developing world elites. It will soon be impossible to maintain power by keeping the masses hungry and ignorant (I hope). It is in their best interest (and in fact, always has been) to promote the concepts of economic freedom, transparency and the rule of law in their own countries.

Either way, there are interesting times ahead!

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By: TokyoTom http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4129&cpage=1#comment-8459 TokyoTom Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:02:39 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4129#comment-8459 Jim, you are exactly right. Most "developing" world elites govern for their own short-term benefit and are little interested in economic freedom, transparency and the rule of law (of course we see the same problem in the wealthy nations, to a disturbing extent). This is why climate change adaptation the developing world will require a difficult and cooperative international investment in improving national governance - and probably explains both why the developed nations prefer to focus on mitigation and why conservative appeals for "adaptation" in the poorer nations probably are less than half-hearted. Jim, you are exactly right. Most “developing” world elites govern for their own short-term benefit and are little interested in economic freedom, transparency and the rule of law (of course we see the same problem in the wealthy nations, to a disturbing extent).

This is why climate change adaptation the developing world will require a difficult and cooperative international investment in improving national governance – and probably explains both why the developed nations prefer to focus on mitigation and why conservative appeals for “adaptation” in the poorer nations probably are less than half-hearted.

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By: Jim Clarke http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4129&cpage=1#comment-8458 Jim Clarke Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:39:12 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4129#comment-8458 This is a fine example of the 'cart before the horse'. The problem with the economies in Third World Countries in not a shortage of capital, but a shortage of the economic freedom that grows capital. The economic environment is poisonous to social progress and development in these areas. Economist Walter Williams brings this point home in this article. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2007/02/07/world_poverty One can not hang fruit on a dead tree and expect the tree to come back to life! This is a fine example of the ‘cart before the horse’. The problem with the economies in Third World Countries in not a shortage of capital, but a shortage of the economic freedom that grows capital. The economic environment is poisonous to social progress and development in these areas. Economist Walter Williams brings this point home in this article.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2007/02/07/world_poverty

One can not hang fruit on a dead tree and expect the tree to come back to life!

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By: Don Thieme http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4129&cpage=1#comment-8457 Don Thieme Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:20:19 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4129#comment-8457 I am surprised that this article, and the World Bank meeting that it reports about, did not discuss the significant role of weapons production and military applications in science and technology. This seems to be the initial "technology transfer" in many cases, and it is also one reason that the United Nations or the developed world often inhibit technology transfers or intervene to close down scientific laboratories. I am surprised that this article, and the World Bank meeting that it reports about, did not discuss the significant role of weapons production and military applications in science and technology. This seems to be the initial “technology transfer” in many cases, and it is also one reason that the United Nations or the developed world often inhibit technology transfers or intervene to close down scientific laboratories.

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