Comments on: Joe Romm Throws (Another) Fit http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Climate Progress » Blog Archive » Finally, Roger Pielke admits he supports policies that will take us to 5-7°C warming or more http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812&cpage=1#comment-13218 Climate Progress » Blog Archive » Finally, Roger Pielke admits he supports policies that will take us to 5-7°C warming or more Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:49:45 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812#comment-13218 [...] published what he says is a “setting the record straight” piece, but he never actually disputes my criticism. The bottom line for Pielke, like Tierney [...] [...] published what he says is a “setting the record straight” piece, but he never actually disputes my criticism. The bottom line for Pielke, like Tierney [...]

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By: PaddikJ http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812&cpage=1#comment-11471 PaddikJ Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:23:47 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812#comment-11471 I made it about half-way through Romm's tirade - the ranting, bald assertions, name-calling & apocalyptic pronouncements are entertaining for a short while, but quickly grow b o r i n g. Reminds me of the old Billy Joel song, "The Angry Young Man": But his honor is pure and his courage as well, And he's fair and he's true and he's boring as hell- And he'll go to the grave as an angry old man. I made it about half-way through Romm’s tirade – the ranting, bald assertions, name-calling & apocalyptic pronouncements are entertaining for a short while, but quickly grow b o r i n g. Reminds me of the old Billy Joel song, “The Angry Young Man”:

But his honor is pure and his courage as well,
And he’s fair and he’s true and he’s boring as hell-
And he’ll go to the grave as an angry old man.

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By: Raven http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812&cpage=1#comment-11460 Raven Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:31:39 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812#comment-11460 I left this on Joe's blog - let's see if it gets posted. Joe, You just don't get it. There is a limit to the number of people that are going to buy into your kind of disaster mongering and those people are already fully supportive of aggressive action. However, the majority of the population is much less credulous and understands the issue is more complex than you would like to believe. Roger's moderate and sensible approach will reach more people than your fire and brimstone ever will. In my own case, Roger's arguments have convinced me to reconsider my position on a modest carbon tax provided the proceeds are spent on renewables and R&D. I realize you are probably feeling pretty confident with Obama and his cabinet picks but you may want to take a look at what happened to Rudd in Australia after his debut at Bali. The recent developments in EU also don't bode well for progress on emissions cuts. To make matters worse, China is starting to send signals that it will not be able to keep buying US treasuries at the rate which will put severe financial constraints on Obama administration. I am willing to bet that aggressive action on climate will be pretty low on the list of priorities when it comes time to make spending choices. The bottom line is you will likely find that Roger's recommendations will be the only way to achieve any progress on this issue and insisting on more will simply give people an excuse to be fatalistic (i.e. there is nothing we can do so we shouldn't even bother trying). I left this on Joe’s blog – let’s see if it gets posted.

Joe,

You just don’t get it. There is a limit to the number of people that are going to buy into your kind of disaster mongering and those people are already fully supportive of aggressive action. However, the majority of the population is much less credulous and understands the issue is more complex than you would like to believe.

Roger’s moderate and sensible approach will reach more people than your fire and brimstone ever will. In my own case, Roger’s arguments have convinced me to reconsider my position on a modest carbon tax provided the proceeds are spent on renewables and R&D.

I realize you are probably feeling pretty confident with Obama and his cabinet picks but you may want to take a look at what happened to Rudd in Australia after his debut at Bali. The recent developments in EU also don’t bode well for progress on emissions cuts. To make matters worse, China is starting to send signals that it will not be able to keep buying US treasuries at the rate which will put severe financial constraints on Obama administration. I am willing to bet that aggressive action on climate will be pretty low on the list of priorities when it comes time to make spending choices.

The bottom line is you will likely find that Roger’s recommendations will be the only way to achieve any progress on this issue and insisting on more will simply give people an excuse to be fatalistic (i.e. there is nothing we can do so we shouldn’t even bother trying).

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By: Sylvain http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812&cpage=1#comment-11458 Sylvain Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:04:05 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812#comment-11458 Looking at how RC, Joe Romm and Deltoïd are handling the other side comments, is there any reason why anyone would take those guys seriously. Looking at how RC, Joe Romm and Deltoïd are handling the other side comments, is there any reason why anyone would take those guys seriously.

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812&cpage=1#comment-11457 Roger Pielke, Jr. Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:49:58 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812#comment-11457 Sylvain- I see that Joe Romm deleted your second comment on his site (but not before I had seen it) ;-) Sylvain-

I see that Joe Romm deleted your second comment on his site (but not before I had seen it) ;-)

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By: brian b http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812&cpage=1#comment-11455 brian b Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:12:10 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812#comment-11455 Roger, Thanks for correcting my misunderstanding. I look forward to seeing your future comments on the analysis of cap and trade as applied to acid rain and the implications for GHG mitigation. Roger,

Thanks for correcting my misunderstanding. I look forward to seeing your future comments on the analysis of cap and trade as applied to acid rain and the implications for GHG mitigation.

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By: Sylvain http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812&cpage=1#comment-11454 Sylvain Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:23:04 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812#comment-11454 I find it amazing how extremist like Romm treat people that share partly the same view, instead of going after those that disagree with him. Action on climate have been delayed by people like him, I mean fanatics, and not by more moderate people, like you. By wanting to score all their point with one grand slam, instead of one at a time, they give the all the chances to other to show the flaws of their position. If it wasn't for such fanatics, who reject any action that they don't agree with under the pretense that it is not enough, there would have been a lot more that would have been done. I guess it is easier to blame others for our own failure. I find it amazing how extremist like Romm treat people that share partly the same view, instead of going after those that disagree with him.

Action on climate have been delayed by people like him, I mean fanatics, and not by more moderate people, like you. By wanting to score all their point with one grand slam, instead of one at a time, they give the all the chances to other to show the flaws of their position.

If it wasn’t for such fanatics, who reject any action that they don’t agree with under the pretense that it is not enough, there would have been a lot more that would have been done.

I guess it is easier to blame others for our own failure.

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812&cpage=1#comment-11449 Roger Pielke, Jr. Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:09:03 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812#comment-11449 I may put this gem from Romm up on my office door;-) "Following Pielke’s “specific policies” would inevitably result in the self-destruction of humanity as we know it. " I may put this gem from Romm up on my office door;-)

“Following Pielke’s “specific policies” would inevitably result in the self-destruction of humanity as we know it. “

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By: Saint http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812&cpage=1#comment-11448 Saint Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:01:22 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812#comment-11448 Roger: Accuracy and argument don't seem to have much of an impact over at Climate Progress. I've gone on Romm's blog before to correct his many errors, and of course was treated to the ritual name-calling. I wouldn't mind so much if he had something interesting to say. As you've experienced yourself, Roger, he invariably defends untenable positions with all the determination of someone unwilling or unable to admit error. Either way, it's not very enlightening. Indeed, so careless is he with the facts, I've taken to calling him "Sloppy Joe" and now give his echo chamber a wide berth. Roger: Accuracy and argument don’t seem to have much of an impact over at Climate Progress. I’ve gone on Romm’s blog before to correct his many errors, and of course was treated to the ritual name-calling. I wouldn’t mind so much if he had something interesting to say. As you’ve experienced yourself, Roger, he invariably defends untenable positions with all the determination of someone unwilling or unable to admit error. Either way, it’s not very enlightening. Indeed, so careless is he with the facts, I’ve taken to calling him “Sloppy Joe” and now give his echo chamber a wide berth.

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By: CoRev http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812&cpage=1#comment-11447 CoRev Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:26:27 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4812#comment-11447 Roger, I have stopped going to and logging any of his articles. He is so abusive, I don't want any of my readers to be abused or ridiculed by him. Roger, I have stopped going to and logging any of his articles. He is so abusive, I don’t want any of my readers to be abused or ridiculed by him.

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