Comments on: Wolf Conservation in Greater Yellowstone http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5134 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: dean http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5134&cpage=1#comment-13416 dean Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:50:58 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5134#comment-13416 I think that there is an inherent conflict for NGOs in that the message or plan that forms the most effective fundraising letter does not make for the most progress on the ground in many cases. This is true for essentially all aspects of politics, and is one of the driving factors in political partisanship across the political spectrum. When I lived in Colorado I saw ranching and environmental groups get together and make great progress when they each stopped seeing each other as the villain and agreed on a new common villain: ski resorts and their related development. They avoided some of the hyper-partisanship that was plaguing some other western states at the time. So I have seen that it is possible. But it requires the environmentalists to see the rural lifestyle and ranching in a different way, and it requires the ranchers to see predators (and their political defenders) in a different way. I think that there is an inherent conflict for NGOs in that the message or plan that forms the most effective fundraising letter does not make for the most progress on the ground in many cases. This is true for essentially all aspects of politics, and is one of the driving factors in political partisanship across the political spectrum.

When I lived in Colorado I saw ranching and environmental groups get together and make great progress when they each stopped seeing each other as the villain and agreed on a new common villain: ski resorts and their related development. They avoided some of the hyper-partisanship that was plaguing some other western states at the time.

So I have seen that it is possible. But it requires the environmentalists to see the rural lifestyle and ranching in a different way, and it requires the ranchers to see predators (and their political defenders) in a different way.

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By: jae http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5134&cpage=1#comment-13397 jae Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:43:19 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5134#comment-13397 OK. I'm just cynical about "win-win" situations where environmental NGOs are involved, because of my experiences and observations concerning forest management (or lack thereof) on the public lands in the West. IMHO, there has been no win-win there; only a win for the NGOs and a loss for the forests (e.g., the bark beetle problem). OK. I’m just cynical about “win-win” situations where environmental NGOs are involved, because of my experiences and observations concerning forest management (or lack thereof) on the public lands in the West. IMHO, there has been no win-win there; only a win for the NGOs and a loss for the forests (e.g., the bark beetle problem).

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By: David Cherney http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5134&cpage=1#comment-13384 David Cherney Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:27:04 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5134#comment-13384 John- While there are short-term ‘wins’ by vested interest groups, wolf politics in greater Yellowstone is characterized by long-term unresolved conflict and fierce antagonistic political battles. Every year wolf depredation of livestock – primarily cattle and sheep – occurs on both public and private land. Most incidents result in passionate exchanges within the editorial pages of regional newspapers. Dogmatic responses are the norm; the debate is framed in terms reducing/eliminating the wolf population or protecting them under the Endangered Species Act. We can continue with the status quo political battle. However, there are those of us who see the possibility for a third way. Rather than the cyclical win-lose cycle between conflicting stakeholders, win-win solutions exist. Win-win outcomes require us to face the problems that real people face on the ground. E.g. minimize/eliminate large carnivore depredation of livestock without eliminating wolves. You may not believe this to be possible. However, examples exist: In the literature: http://books.google.com/books?id=jBe9HwAACAAJ&dq=coexisting+with+large+carnivores http://www.springerlink.com/content/t75n77773p802771/ In practice: http://www.keystoneconservation.us/ http://www.sunranch.com/SRA/Index.html http://www.nrccooperative.org/Kaminski_MLC.htm http://www.blackfootchallenge.org/am/publish/wildlife.php I am happy to continue this discussion, but let’s keep it civil. John-

While there are short-term ‘wins’ by vested interest groups, wolf politics in greater Yellowstone is characterized by long-term unresolved conflict and fierce antagonistic political battles. Every year wolf depredation of livestock – primarily cattle and sheep – occurs on both public and private land. Most incidents result in passionate exchanges within the editorial pages of regional newspapers. Dogmatic responses are the norm; the debate is framed in terms reducing/eliminating the wolf population or protecting them under the Endangered Species Act.

We can continue with the status quo political battle. However, there are those of us who see the possibility for a third way. Rather than the cyclical win-lose cycle between conflicting stakeholders, win-win solutions exist. Win-win outcomes require us to face the problems that real people face on the ground. E.g. minimize/eliminate large carnivore depredation of livestock without eliminating wolves. You may not believe this to be possible. However, examples exist:

In the literature:

http://books.google.com/books?id=jBe9HwAACAAJ&dq=coexisting+with+large+carnivores
http://www.springerlink.com/content/t75n77773p802771/

In practice:

http://www.keystoneconservation.us/
http://www.sunranch.com/SRA/Index.html
http://www.nrccooperative.org/Kaminski_MLC.htm
http://www.blackfootchallenge.org/am/publish/wildlife.php

I am happy to continue this discussion, but let’s keep it civil.

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By: jae http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5134&cpage=1#comment-13380 jae Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:42:55 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5134#comment-13380 David: I'm sorry, but I can't figure out what you are trying to say here. Can you explain better? Is it the Obama mantra that we can just talk it out and everything will be OK? If so, you are nuts. David: I’m sorry, but I can’t figure out what you are trying to say here. Can you explain better? Is it the Obama mantra that we can just talk it out and everything will be OK? If so, you are nuts.

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