Comments on: NCAR’s NSF Budget: The Real Facts http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4505 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4505&cpage=1#comment-10687 Roger Pielke, Jr. Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:07:17 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4505#comment-10687 Nature has a news story that provides some insight into the internal disputes about social science at NCAR. Linda Mearns, a former colleague of mine and top notch scientist but certainly not even remotely a social scientist, explains that people who do work like she does -- integrated modeling -- are welcome at NCAR, and implies that Mickey was not. From the Nature article: "“I don’t think this has anything to do with shutting down social science at NCAR,” says Linda Mearns, who recently stepped down as director of the Institute for the Study of Society and Environment there. Mearns says social scientists within the institute will continue to work with physical scientists at NCAR on integrated research projects. “And that’s the proper role for an institute in social science at NCAR.”" http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080812/full/454808a.html In other words, she fits, but Mickey did not. Ouch. Nature has a news story that provides some insight into the internal disputes about social science at NCAR. Linda Mearns, a former colleague of mine and top notch scientist but certainly not even remotely a social scientist, explains that people who do work like she does — integrated modeling — are welcome at NCAR, and implies that Mickey was not. From the Nature article:

““I don’t think this has anything to do with shutting down social science at NCAR,” says Linda Mearns, who recently stepped down as director of the Institute for the Study of Society and Environment there. Mearns says social scientists within the institute will continue to work with physical scientists at NCAR on integrated research projects. “And that’s the proper role for an institute in social science at NCAR.””

http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080812/full/454808a.html

In other words, she fits, but Mickey did not. Ouch.

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By: Lisa Dilling http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4505&cpage=1#comment-10679 Lisa Dilling Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:05:58 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4505#comment-10679 thanks Dave and Roger. I found really detailed info at http://dellweb.bfa.nsf.gov/, they have awards broken out by state and by institution etc. It's still hard to break down how to classify the base NCAR award vs. the additional funding for individual grants etc. within UCAR (parent corporation for NCAR). The overall funding to UCAR over the last ten years does show a "dome shape" (I don't know how to post a graph in the comments) -- a ramp up from 1998 to 2002 from $94M to a high of $154M adjusted $2008 in 2002, then a ramp down to $112.9M in 2007. The past four years ('04-'07) were $133, 108, 115, 113M (adjusted) in total funding from NSF to UCAR. Of course this not NCAR alone, but also included projects at UCAR. I think the budget story is beyond these two sets of budget data though. From the staff communications of Rick and Tim (former director), FY2008 was a very difficult budget year, because there was a continuing resolution, where expected budgets did not end up arriving, and hoped-for growth did not materialize, as has already been mentioned. It is also my suspicion that costs at NCAR rise faster than the average economy-wide inflation, as is true for college costs (for reasons I do not know). I therefore think the budget story is not just hyperbole but was a real fiscal situation. Nonetheless, we all know that merely having less money than anticipated does not automatically dictate which programs get cut. In my opinion there has been absolutely no justification provided that can explain why such an already small part of NCAR with such a large responsibility (ensuring that science can be useful to the public and decision makers) has been reduced so drastically. When the SERE laboratory was eliminated in early May of this year (the former parent administrative unit of CCB), the NCAR staff were assured by the former director of NCAR that "We want to emphasize that these changes in no way diminish UCAR's and NCAR's commitment to ASP, ISSE, and CCB. Despite the current budget challenges, we remain dedicated to our vision of developing leadership in the social science components of climate and weather research, creating societal and policy-relevant research and information products, and conducting research on human-environment interactions." Somehow this dedication has now vanished a mere 3 months later. I also find it inexcusable that a very senior, very distinguished, tenured scientist has been simply "let go". Mickey Glantz is synonymous with the term "usable science" and is world-renowned for his work to help especially those in developing countries respond to and anticipate climate-related disasters. After 34 years of service and building such an esteemed reputation for NCAR, this type of treatment is unjustified and does not reflect well on NCAR. Beyond the personal aspect of the loss of Mickey for NCAR, I do wonder how NCAR plans to position itself as far as creating usable science. In this day and age, we need more commitment to creating usable science, not less. The Climate Change Science Program has re-emphasized its commitment to decision support, among many other programs. NSF is increasingly interdisciplinary and including broader impacts in its funding priorities. NCAR does not appear to be in sync with these broader trends. I can only hope it examines its budget and commitments and seeks to reverse this troubling trend. thanks Dave and Roger. I found really detailed info at http://dellweb.bfa.nsf.gov/, they have awards broken out by state and by institution etc. It’s still hard to break down how to classify the base NCAR award vs. the additional funding for individual grants etc. within UCAR (parent corporation for NCAR). The overall funding to UCAR over the last ten years does show a “dome shape” (I don’t know how to post a graph in the comments) — a ramp up from 1998 to 2002 from $94M to a high of $154M adjusted $2008 in 2002, then a ramp down to $112.9M in 2007. The past four years (‘04-’07) were $133, 108, 115, 113M (adjusted) in total funding from NSF to UCAR. Of course this not NCAR alone, but also included projects at UCAR.

I think the budget story is beyond these two sets of budget data though. From the staff communications of Rick and Tim (former director), FY2008 was a very difficult budget year, because there was a continuing resolution, where expected budgets did not end up arriving, and hoped-for growth did not materialize, as has already been mentioned. It is also my suspicion that costs at NCAR rise faster than the average economy-wide inflation, as is true for college costs (for reasons I do not know). I therefore think the budget story is not just hyperbole but was a real fiscal situation.

Nonetheless, we all know that merely having less money than anticipated does not automatically dictate which programs get cut. In my opinion there has been absolutely no justification provided that can explain why such an already small part of NCAR with such a large responsibility (ensuring that science can be useful to the public and decision makers) has been reduced so drastically. When the SERE laboratory was eliminated in early May of this year (the former parent administrative unit of CCB), the NCAR staff were assured by the former director of NCAR that “We want to emphasize that these changes in no way diminish UCAR’s and NCAR’s commitment to ASP, ISSE, and CCB. Despite the current budget challenges, we remain dedicated to our vision of developing leadership in the social science components of climate and weather research, creating societal and policy-relevant research and information products, and conducting research on human-environment interactions.”

Somehow this dedication has now vanished a mere 3 months later.

I also find it inexcusable that a very senior, very distinguished, tenured scientist has been simply “let go”. Mickey Glantz is synonymous with the term “usable science” and is world-renowned for his work to help especially those in developing countries respond to and anticipate climate-related disasters. After 34 years of service and building such an esteemed reputation for NCAR, this type of treatment is unjustified and does not reflect well on NCAR.

Beyond the personal aspect of the loss of Mickey for NCAR, I do wonder how NCAR plans to position itself as far as creating usable science. In this day and age, we need more commitment to creating usable science, not less. The Climate Change Science Program has re-emphasized its commitment to decision support, among many other programs. NSF is increasingly interdisciplinary and including broader impacts in its funding priorities. NCAR does not appear to be in sync with these broader trends. I can only hope it examines its budget and commitments and seeks to reverse this troubling trend.

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4505&cpage=1#comment-10674 Roger Pielke, Jr. Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:32:17 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4505#comment-10674 Hi Lisa- Dave answered first and correctly! If you also want the deflator data, that is here: http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/GDPDEF.txt Hi Lisa- Dave answered first and correctly! If you also want the deflator data, that is here:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/GDPDEF.txt

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By: David Bruggeman http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4505&cpage=1#comment-10673 David Bruggeman Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:52:30 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4505#comment-10673 The NCAR-wide numbers can be found in the NSF Research Infrastructure documents for each budget year. For FY 2009 (which includes the FY 2008 numbers), look at: http://www.nsf.gov/about/budget/fy2009/toc.jsp and click on NSF Research Infrastructure Change the year in the URL for previous years. The NSF budget information doesn't drill down terribly far. For instance, if they have anything more than the line item for all of NCAR in the budget numbers, I couldn't find it on their website. The FY09 request, however, with a 9.5% increase, throws some wrinkles into the argument. Sure, it's only a request, but it's the rare agency that cuts in the face of proposed budget increases. The NCAR-wide numbers can be found in the NSF Research Infrastructure documents for each budget year. For FY 2009 (which includes the FY 2008 numbers), look at: http://www.nsf.gov/about/budget/fy2009/toc.jsp and click on NSF Research Infrastructure

Change the year in the URL for previous years.

The NSF budget information doesn’t drill down terribly far. For instance, if they have anything more than the line item for all of NCAR in the budget numbers, I couldn’t find it on their website.

The FY09 request, however, with a 9.5% increase, throws some wrinkles into the argument. Sure, it’s only a request, but it’s the rare agency that cuts in the face of proposed budget increases.

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By: Lisa Dilling http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4505&cpage=1#comment-10672 Lisa Dilling Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:06:34 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4505#comment-10672 Hi Roger, Can you link to where you found the NCAR #s on the NSF budget site? I'm curious too about those data.. thanks! Lisa Hi Roger,
Can you link to where you found the NCAR #s on the NSF budget site? I’m curious too about those data.. thanks! Lisa

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4505&cpage=1#comment-10671 Roger Pielke, Jr. Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:07:06 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4505#comment-10671 Rich- Thanks for these comments. If UCAR has problems with healthcare costs or fuel then it should say so publicly. Your comment is the first I have heard about that. The most recent press release and staff emails emphasized budgets from DC as the driving force behind the need for cuts, not increased programmatic expenses (Though Anthes did mention the cost of HIAPER in his statement). At CU our heathcare costs have gone down in the past 2 years after increasing for a few. My overhead on grants has not changed. I would welcome your insight on why 110 positions have been lost in a time of constant (after inflation) budgets. Surely that is not all going to fuel and maintenance? Rich-

Thanks for these comments.

If UCAR has problems with healthcare costs or fuel then it should say so publicly. Your comment is the first I have heard about that. The most recent press release and staff emails emphasized budgets from DC as the driving force behind the need for cuts, not increased programmatic expenses (Though Anthes did mention the cost of HIAPER in his statement).

At CU our heathcare costs have gone down in the past 2 years after increasing for a few. My overhead on grants has not changed.

I would welcome your insight on why 110 positions have been lost in a time of constant (after inflation) budgets. Surely that is not all going to fuel and maintenance?

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By: Rich N http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4505&cpage=1#comment-10670 Rich N Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:33:07 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4505#comment-10670 Again you cannot really use 2009 projected funding in any assessment. We''l be in a continuing resolution into the middle of next year - I'm sure we can both agree on that! However you read it 2004 to now, and to the forseeable future there will be an effective reduction in NSF funding for science. And effective does not mean 'inflation adjusted' it mean what it actually costs (healthcare, fuel. maintenance costs, all greater than mean inflation). I'm sure if you look in the overhead charged on all the grants you apply for you will not see anything as low as inflation adjusted for the past few years. So, please DO argue about the virtue of whether they should have cut that program you deep important, but don't suggest any budget decisions they are making are not really warranted or were not difficult to take. Again you cannot really use 2009 projected funding in any assessment. We”l be in a continuing resolution into the middle of next year – I’m sure we can both agree on that! However you read it 2004 to now, and to the forseeable future there will be an effective reduction in
NSF funding for science. And effective does not mean ‘inflation adjusted’ it mean what it actually costs (healthcare, fuel. maintenance costs, all greater than mean inflation). I’m sure if you look in the overhead charged on all the grants you apply for you will not see anything as low as inflation adjusted for the past few years. So, please DO argue about the virtue of whether they should have cut that program you deep important, but don’t suggest any budget decisions they are making are not really warranted or were not difficult to take.

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