Comments on: The Double Counting Problem http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5226 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Ken Johnson http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5226&cpage=1#comment-13926 Ken Johnson Wed, 20 May 2009 03:06:12 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5226#comment-13926 I think the policy logic works something like this: Without the fuel economy standards, the W-M cap-and-trade system might be expected to yield some reduction of vehicle emissions, but probably much less than 46 MMT/yr. The standards will essentially force a cap-and-trade compliance mechanism on transportation, which will increase vehicle prices but lower carbon trading prices. The reason it make sense to impose this kind of "interference" on the market is that the higher vehicle prices will be more than offset by fuel savings. (If I recall, average vehicle prices are expected to increase by $1300, but fuel savings will make that up in 3.2 years.) So everyone comes out ahead. Basically, the fuel economy standards are just that: "fuel economy". Emission reduction is just an ancillary benefit. The more fundamental question is this: Assuming that the W-M caps are based on some calculus of cost acceptability, then why should we use fuel economy standards to further lower carbon prices? Why not apply them to achieve further emission reductions (at whatever price congress has deemed "acceptable")? Furthermore, if the new standards have a 3-year payback, why not create incentives for further fuel economy improvements, which would yield greater cost savings as well as more emission reductions? I think the policy logic works something like this:

Without the fuel economy standards, the W-M cap-and-trade system might be expected to yield some reduction of vehicle emissions, but probably much less than 46 MMT/yr. The standards will essentially force a cap-and-trade compliance mechanism on transportation, which will increase vehicle prices but lower carbon trading prices. The reason it make sense to impose this kind of “interference” on the market is that the higher vehicle prices will be more than offset by fuel savings. (If I recall, average vehicle prices are expected to increase by $1300, but fuel savings will make that up in 3.2 years.) So everyone comes out ahead.

Basically, the fuel economy standards are just that: “fuel economy”. Emission reduction is just an ancillary benefit.

The more fundamental question is this: Assuming that the W-M caps are based on some calculus of cost acceptability, then why should we use fuel economy standards to further lower carbon prices? Why not apply them to achieve further emission reductions (at whatever price congress has deemed “acceptable”)? Furthermore, if the new standards have a 3-year payback, why not create incentives for further fuel economy improvements, which would yield greater cost savings as well as more emission reductions?

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By: 4TimesAYear http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5226&cpage=1#comment-13922 4TimesAYear Tue, 19 May 2009 23:50:16 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5226#comment-13922 I'm glad you thought of this - I think I'll be giving my Senator and Representative a call. It's impossible... I’m glad you thought of this – I think I’ll be giving my Senator and Representative a call. It’s impossible…

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By: jae http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5226&cpage=1#comment-13920 jae Tue, 19 May 2009 22:34:53 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5226#comment-13920 There you go again...trying to find logic in the workings of the US Congress. After all, we are dealing with grown, educated?, people who PRETEND to be completely oblivious to the fact that there has been no warming for over a decade, and that we may even be heading towards another ice age. Given the resources that these people have, you cannot possibly believe that they don't know of this contradiction. Nevertheless, they are proceeding, full speed ahead, to help finish off what is left of our economy. I don't know about you, but I cannot think of any words that are harsh enough to describe my disgust for these deceitful hypocrites. There you go again…trying to find logic in the workings of the US Congress. After all, we are dealing with grown, educated?, people who PRETEND to be completely oblivious to the fact that there has been no warming for over a decade, and that we may even be heading towards another ice age. Given the resources that these people have, you cannot possibly believe that they don’t know of this contradiction. Nevertheless, they are proceeding, full speed ahead, to help finish off what is left of our economy. I don’t know about you, but I cannot think of any words that are harsh enough to describe my disgust for these deceitful hypocrites.

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