Comments on: What a difference a year and maybe a movie makes http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4077 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Jesse Jenkins http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4077&cpage=1#comment-7871 Jesse Jenkins Mon, 29 Jan 2007 03:43:53 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4077#comment-7871 Tom, I appreciated your questions and comments on the conference call on friday. I'm currently composing my response to the call, and while it's not finished yet, I imagine it will read quite a lot like yours when complete. I think you really nailed the significance of the change in ExxonMobil's stance on climate change. Are we going to see Exxon lining up with BP, Duke and the rest of the US Climate Action Partnership? Probably not. Will Exxon be a valuable ally in pushing for climate change legislation? No. But the simple fact that not only are they now no longer actively funding and supporting an effort to confuse and delay action on climate change, they are also openly stating that they think something should be done about climate change and that policy solutions are both necessary and inevitable. Even if Exxon isn't going to help us pass climate change legislation, at least it doesn't look like they are going to be a major roadblock anymore, and that is not an insignificant change in the political landscape. We are, after all, talking about the largest publicly-traded energy company in the world (actually the largest publicly traded company in the world). (The fact that the VP for Public Affairs of said largest company in the world would take an hour and fifteen minutes out of his schedule to talk with several bloggers is also a telling indication of the growing influence of blogging and the strange age we now live in. Perhaps Time was right when the selected 'You' as the 2006 Person of the Year!) Thanks again for your questions and analysis. Cheers, Jesse Jenkins http://watthead.blogspot.com Tom, I appreciated your questions and comments on the conference call on friday. I’m currently composing my response to the call, and while it’s not finished yet, I imagine it will read quite a lot like yours when complete. I think you really nailed the significance of the change in ExxonMobil’s stance on climate change.

Are we going to see Exxon lining up with BP, Duke and the rest of the US Climate Action Partnership? Probably not. Will Exxon be a valuable ally in pushing for climate change legislation? No. But the simple fact that not only are they now no longer actively funding and supporting an effort to confuse and delay action on climate change, they are also openly stating that they think something should be done about climate change and that policy solutions are both necessary and inevitable.

Even if Exxon isn’t going to help us pass climate change legislation, at least it doesn’t look like they are going to be a major roadblock anymore, and that is not an insignificant change in the political landscape. We are, after all, talking about the largest publicly-traded energy company in the world (actually the largest publicly traded company in the world).

(The fact that the VP for Public Affairs of said largest company in the world would take an hour and fifteen minutes out of his schedule to talk with several bloggers is also a telling indication of the growing influence of blogging and the strange age we now live in. Perhaps Time was right when the selected ‘You’ as the 2006 Person of the Year!)

Thanks again for your questions and analysis. Cheers,

Jesse Jenkins
http://watthead.blogspot.com

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By: Richard Belzer http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4077&cpage=1#comment-7870 Richard Belzer Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:52:00 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4077#comment-7870 I agree with Amy, at least in part: I bet the election had more to do with any change in position than the movie. $24 million in gross receipts is pocket change, especially when most of it came out of the pockets of people who already believe. Also, $5,685,000 donated over several years to "climate skeptics" is pocket change too. Not just to Exxon Mobil, but when compared the sums currently spent on climate change research. That looks to me like a token effort rather than some grand obstructionist conspiracy. It's barely enough to fund the cafeteria at NREL. Your blog post illustrates what some of us who know zip about climate change science have been pointing out about climate change policy: It is insufficient to use the existence of a problem as the basis for leaping to a solution. Very little research has been conducted on policy alternatives that would be effective (actually achieve promised global GHG reductions), efficient (achieve these reductions at minimum cost in transactions costs, rentseeking, and wealth transfers), and politically acceptable (votes in favor today won't result in loss of re-election tomorrow). California's recent action is emblematic: it is meets the test of political acceptability but not the tests of effectiveness or efficiency. The UN program discussed recently in the NYT and here meets none of these criteria. Finally, opinion polls are useless as scientific instruments for measuring sustainable public support, much less the public's willingness to pay. For proof, you only have to compare polls on Iraq performed three years ago versus today. Which of the advocates of aggressive and immediate action on climate change think a similar decline in public support over just three years would not destroy the program? I agree with Amy, at least in part: I bet the election had more to do with any change in position than the movie. $24 million in gross receipts is pocket change, especially when most of it came out of the pockets of people who already believe.

Also, $5,685,000 donated over several years to “climate skeptics” is pocket change too. Not just to Exxon Mobil, but when compared the sums currently spent on climate change research. That looks to me like a token effort rather than some grand obstructionist conspiracy. It’s barely enough to fund the cafeteria at NREL.

Your blog post illustrates what some of us who know zip about climate change science have been pointing out about climate change policy: It is insufficient to use the existence of a problem as the basis for leaping to a solution. Very little research has been conducted on policy alternatives that would be effective (actually achieve promised global GHG reductions), efficient (achieve these reductions at minimum cost in transactions costs, rentseeking, and wealth transfers), and politically acceptable (votes in favor today won’t result in loss of re-election tomorrow). California’s recent action is emblematic: it is meets the test of political acceptability but not the tests of effectiveness or efficiency. The UN program discussed recently in the NYT and here meets none of these criteria.

Finally, opinion polls are useless as scientific instruments for measuring sustainable public support, much less the public’s willingness to pay. For proof, you only have to compare polls on Iraq performed three years ago versus today.

Which of the advocates of aggressive and immediate action on climate change think a similar decline in public support over just three years would not destroy the program?

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By: Mark Bahner http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4077&cpage=1#comment-7869 Mark Bahner Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:44:18 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4077#comment-7869 "USCAP has put forward a plan designed to cut U.S. annual emissions of greenhouse gases by 70 to 90 percent of today’s production in just 15 years." That should be "cut ***to*** 70 to 90 percent of today's production in 15 years". Not "by" 70 to 90 percent...that would mean emissions of 0.3 to 0.1 of current emissions. “USCAP has put forward a plan designed to cut U.S. annual emissions of greenhouse gases by 70 to 90 percent of today’s production in just 15 years.”

That should be “cut ***to*** 70 to 90 percent of today’s production in 15 years”.

Not “by” 70 to 90 percent…that would mean emissions of 0.3 to 0.1 of current emissions.

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By: TokyoTom http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4077&cpage=1#comment-7868 TokyoTom Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:50:46 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4077#comment-7868 Good post, Tom. And all of this change despite the recent "Stern and Drang" and hand-wringing about fanaticism. Good post, Tom. And all of this change despite the recent “Stern and Drang” and hand-wringing about fanaticism.

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By: Amy Ridenour http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4077&cpage=1#comment-7867 Amy Ridenour Sat, 27 Jan 2007 04:49:49 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4077#comment-7867 Forget the movie; think "November 2." Forget the movie; think “November 2.”

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