Comments on: Waxman Markey Confuses Political Camps http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5238 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Jon Frum http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5238&cpage=1#comment-13969 Jon Frum Sat, 23 May 2009 17:12:54 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5238#comment-13969 "I went into the Congressman's office, and told them I'd hold my breath until he spoke to me." The vanity is stunning. Twenty years from now, books will be written about these times, and people will shake their heads. I'm thinking of titles like, maybe, "The Madness of Crowds." “I went into the Congressman’s office, and told them I’d hold my breath until he spoke to me.”

The vanity is stunning. Twenty years from now, books will be written about these times, and people will shake their heads. I’m thinking of titles like, maybe, “The Madness of Crowds.”

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By: DavidE http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5238&cpage=1#comment-13964 DavidE Fri, 22 May 2009 23:08:48 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5238#comment-13964 Someone was saying that there may be about 7 or 8 climate change deniers in Congress. Looking at the bill, I think its closer to 400 climate change deniers with 7 or 8 outspoken about it and the remaining 390 or so in the closet. Look, if someone seriously thinks that climate change is going to destroy the planet, then they should take drastic action. I think the entire purpose of this bill is just Economic. Its an excuse to: (1) Raise taxes; (2) Make businesses and industries subject to the whims of Congress (great for filling campaign coffers); (3) Be able to provide big handouts in the form of allowances to constitutents; (4) Be able to put up trade barriers in the form of taxes in lieu of the U.S. carbon taxes; (5) Reward the same idiot brokers who got us into the financial crisis by allowing them to trade carbon allowancess; and (6) An excuse to provide massive foreign aid that President Obama wanted. The legislation will probably increase emissions because the money that the U.S. sends to other countries will probably fund coal plants and oil purchases that those countries couldn't have afforded. Look, if they did something like Gov. Huntsman did in Utah and provide big incentives for a switch to natural gas, that would accomplish more than this cap and trade idiocy. And that would be relatively simple. Someone was saying that there may be about 7 or 8 climate change deniers in Congress. Looking at the bill, I think its closer to 400 climate change deniers with 7 or 8 outspoken about it and the remaining 390 or so in the closet.

Look, if someone seriously thinks that climate change is going to destroy the planet, then they should take drastic action. I think the entire purpose of this bill is just Economic. Its an excuse to:

(1) Raise taxes;
(2) Make businesses and industries subject to the whims of Congress (great for filling campaign coffers);

(3) Be able to provide big handouts in the form of allowances to constitutents;
(4) Be able to put up trade barriers in the form of taxes in lieu of the U.S. carbon taxes;
(5) Reward the same idiot brokers who got us into the financial crisis by allowing them to trade carbon allowancess;
and
(6) An excuse to provide massive foreign aid that President Obama wanted.

The legislation will probably increase emissions because the money that the U.S. sends to other countries will probably fund coal plants and oil purchases that those countries couldn’t have afforded.

Look, if they did something like Gov. Huntsman did in Utah and provide big incentives for a switch to natural gas, that would accomplish more than this cap and trade idiocy. And that would be relatively simple.

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By: Maurice Garoutte http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5238&cpage=1#comment-13963 Maurice Garoutte Fri, 22 May 2009 20:32:03 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5238#comment-13963 If a camel is a horse designed by a committee, then the W/M tax bill is a vampire camel designed by competing green lobbyists. The bill is pretty ugly and useless now but our congress critters can slap on some lipstick and trim it down so that only the head of the camel gets in the tent. There have been so many millions of dollars pumped into so many campaigns that the bill will be very hard to kill. Sunlight is the only way to finally kill the beast. If the opponents can just slow the process down the public has a chance to see the results of the bill clearly. If a camel is a horse designed by a committee, then the W/M tax bill is a vampire camel designed by competing green lobbyists. The bill is pretty ugly and useless now but our congress critters can slap on some lipstick and trim it down so that only the head of the camel gets in the tent. There have been so many millions of dollars pumped into so many campaigns that the bill will be very hard to kill.

Sunlight is the only way to finally kill the beast. If the opponents can just slow the process down the public has a chance to see the results of the bill clearly.

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By: jae http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5238&cpage=1#comment-13962 jae Fri, 22 May 2009 18:06:12 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5238#comment-13962 Oops. that's charade. It is actually fun to watch. Oops. that’s charade. It is actually fun to watch.

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By: jae http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5238&cpage=1#comment-13961 jae Fri, 22 May 2009 18:02:55 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5238#comment-13961 Maybe Washington is not as "protected" from the real world as I thought! What a chirade! Maybe Washington is not as “protected” from the real world as I thought! What a chirade!

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By: kkloor http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5238&cpage=1#comment-13960 kkloor Fri, 22 May 2009 16:51:14 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5238#comment-13960 Roger, Is all that's left to do is watch the spectacle of the WM climate train wend its way through a torturous course? There's an excellent commentary on the bill by Steven Pearlstein ( a business journalist) in today's WaPo, which I write about here: http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2009/05/22/climate-train-departs-for-unknown-destination/ Pearlstein suggests it's not too late to start over. But I wonder: is that even possible now that the train has left the station? Roger,

Is all that’s left to do is watch the spectacle of the WM climate train wend its way through a torturous course? There’s an excellent commentary on the bill by Steven Pearlstein ( a business journalist) in today’s WaPo, which I write about here: http://www.collide-a-scape.com/2009/05/22/climate-train-departs-for-unknown-destination/

Pearlstein suggests it’s not too late to start over. But I wonder: is that even possible now that the train has left the station?

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By: stan http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5238&cpage=1#comment-13959 stan Fri, 22 May 2009 16:47:54 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5238#comment-13959 Perhaps the confusion comes from the fact that even Waxman doesn't know what's in his bill. http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/05/waxman_admits_he_doesnt_know_w.asp These buffoons are the same idiots who voted to give $900 million to terrorists to "stimulate" our economy. And it was so important to do so (along with several trillions more in spending) that there was no time to read the bill or even discuss it before voting. So that it could sit on the President's desk for days until he returned from vacation. Any intelligent thought coming from these clowns is nothing more than a fortuitous coincidence. Perhaps the confusion comes from the fact that even Waxman doesn’t know what’s in his bill. http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/05/waxman_admits_he_doesnt_know_w.asp

These buffoons are the same idiots who voted to give $900 million to terrorists to “stimulate” our economy. And it was so important to do so (along with several trillions more in spending) that there was no time to read the bill or even discuss it before voting. So that it could sit on the President’s desk for days until he returned from vacation.

Any intelligent thought coming from these clowns is nothing more than a fortuitous coincidence.

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