Comments on: Latest Bridges Column http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3951 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Lab Lemming http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3951&cpage=1#comment-6041 Lab Lemming Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:51:54 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3951#comment-6041 At the other extreme of scientific politicalization, do you think that scientists turned politicians (e.g Dr. Rush Holt, D-NJ-12) have had much impact? At the other extreme of scientific politicalization, do you think that scientists turned politicians (e.g Dr. Rush Holt, D-NJ-12) have had much impact?

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3951&cpage=1#comment-6040 Roger Pielke, Jr. Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:20:09 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3951#comment-6040 LL- Thanks. Actually I'd argue that the non-partisan groups have historically had far greater policy impact. Consider the US NRC as a good example -- is there any body whose work has had more policy influence? The problem is when such groups try to use their legitimacy to force particular outcomes. Rather than forcing aprticular outcomes, this diminishes their legitimacy. See recent discussion of this point on the blog -- search for Starobin and Allenby! Thanks! LL-

Thanks. Actually I’d argue that the non-partisan groups have historically had far greater policy impact. Consider the US NRC as a good example — is there any body whose work has had more policy influence? The problem is when such groups try to use their legitimacy to force particular outcomes. Rather than forcing aprticular outcomes, this diminishes their legitimacy. See recent discussion of this point on the blog — search for Starobin and Allenby! Thanks!

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By: Lab Lemming http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3951&cpage=1#comment-6039 Lab Lemming Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:01:13 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3951#comment-6039 Roger: Good points, but I think you underestimate the magnitude of the problem described in this quote: "With the exception of The New York Times, the statement has been almost completely ignored by the major media and advocacy groups. This is not surprising, as many would rather use scientists for their own narrow purposes, which often depend on the presence of political conflict rather than consensus. " If resreachers observe that forming non-partisan science-based groups has the same (non-existant) impact of remaining silent, then they will be tempted to let themselves be used by partisans in the hopes that a twisted message is better than none at all. Roger:
Good points, but I think you underestimate the magnitude of the problem described in this quote:

“With the exception of The New York Times, the statement has been almost completely ignored by the major media and advocacy groups. This is not surprising, as many would rather use scientists for their own narrow purposes, which often depend on the presence of political conflict rather than consensus. ”

If resreachers observe that forming non-partisan science-based groups has the same (non-existant) impact of remaining silent, then they will be tempted to let themselves be used by partisans in the hopes that a twisted message is better than none at all.

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By: Jim Clarke http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3951&cpage=1#comment-6038 Jim Clarke Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:40:24 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3951#comment-6038 Sean D, I can appreciate your perspective of the science of AGW, namely that there is no legitimate scientific debate, but there is always the chance that the IPCC is not totally wrong! Not likely, but possible! :) Sean D,

I can appreciate your perspective of the science of AGW, namely that there is no legitimate scientific debate, but there is always the chance that the IPCC is not totally wrong!

Not likely, but possible! :)

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3951&cpage=1#comment-6037 Roger Pielke, Jr. Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:10:23 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3951#comment-6037 Sean D.- Thanks. You ask, "What do you suggest for scientists who, given the potentially nasty landscape of a 'politicized science', want to stay above the fray?" Half seriously, consider a career in condensed matter physics or some other less politicized area. On climate change, there is no "above the fray" which is why it is so improtant for scientists in this area to understand science in its broader context. Thanks! Sean D.-

Thanks. You ask, “What do you suggest for scientists who, given the potentially nasty landscape of a ‘politicized science’, want to stay above the fray?”

Half seriously, consider a career in condensed matter physics or some other less politicized area. On climate change, there is no “above the fray” which is why it is so improtant for scientists in this area to understand science in its broader context.

Thanks!

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By: Sean D http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3951&cpage=1#comment-6036 Sean D Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:01:38 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3951#comment-6036 Nice article Roger. Perhaps you could also give advice for an extra case in which one is "concerned about the pathological politicization of your area of science, particularly in situations where there is a diversity of legitimate political/policy debate (but not legitimate scientific debate)." As you might guess, the scenario I'm refering to is AGW. What do you suggest for scientists who, given the potentially nasty landscape of a 'politicized science', want to stay above the fray? Nice article Roger. Perhaps you could also give advice for an extra case in which one is

“concerned about the pathological politicization of your area of science, particularly in situations where there is a diversity of legitimate political/policy debate (but not legitimate scientific debate).”

As you might guess, the scenario I’m refering to is AGW.

What do you suggest for scientists who, given the potentially nasty landscape of a ‘politicized science’, want to stay above the fray?

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