Comments on: Why don’t you write about __________? http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4006 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4006&cpage=1#comment-6777 Roger Pielke, Jr. Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:59:23 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4006#comment-6777 Coby- On William Gray: http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/climate_change/000536reader_request_comm.html Gray is definitely a partisan in the hurricane-climate debate and he (and others) have gone over-the-top in some of their public comments to be certain. I'd much prefer a more civil debate. For my views on this debate see: http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/climate_change/001005wmo_consensus_statem.html Gray does however correctly represent the role of societal factors in damage trends in all that I've seen. As far as his views on global warming generally, he is clearly outside of the mainstream in his views, and others are more qualified than I to critique these views. Coby-

On William Gray:

http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/climate_change/000536reader_request_comm.html

Gray is definitely a partisan in the hurricane-climate debate and he (and others) have gone over-the-top in some of their public comments to be certain. I’d much prefer a more civil debate. For my views on this debate see:

http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/climate_change/001005wmo_consensus_statem.html

Gray does however correctly represent the role of societal factors in damage trends in all that I’ve seen.

As far as his views on global warming generally, he is clearly outside of the mainstream in his views, and others are more qualified than I to critique these views.

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By: coby http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4006&cpage=1#comment-6776 coby Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:14:28 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4006#comment-6776 Fair enough points, Roger, and it is a rare virtue to refrain from opining beyond your areas of expertise. I don't think I recall reading any criticism of William Gray though, and he cleary misrepresents the natural vs anthropogenic hurricane intensity debate and you seem well versed in that area. Fair enough points, Roger, and it is a rare virtue to refrain from opining beyond your areas of expertise.

I don’t think I recall reading any criticism of William Gray though, and he cleary misrepresents the natural vs anthropogenic hurricane intensity debate and you seem well versed in that area.

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4006&cpage=1#comment-6775 Roger Pielke, Jr. Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:49:30 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4006#comment-6775 John- Thanks. Your comments go a long ways to explaining the dynamics I have observed that motivated this post! John-

Thanks. Your comments go a long ways to explaining the dynamics I have observed that motivated this post!

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By: hank http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4006&cpage=1#comment-6774 hank Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:21:04 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4006#comment-6774 There are parallels worth considering. To do this sort of research you could invite people in with a more broad expertise in policy analysis at the level of studying tactics rather than climatology per se, I think. This struck me as an interesting parallel: http://tc.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/15/suppl_4/iv68?ct Methods: .... depositions and trial testimony transcripts ... made by expert witnesses representing the tobacco industry .... Industry-supported publications within the peer-reviewed literature were also examined for statements on exposure misclassification, meta-analysis, and confounding. Results: The witnesses challenged causation .... by citing limitations of epidemiologic research, raising methodological and statistical issues, and disputing biological plausibility. Though not often cited directly by the witnesses, the defence tactics mirrored the strategies used in industry-funded reports in the peer-reviewed literature. This sort of research on the tactics used to influence public policy would be particularly interesting , when the same people apply the same tactics for, say, Western Fuels as they did for their previous industrial sponsor. It's early yet -- you won't have exact parallels to the tobacco court cases to look at. But I think you'd find it interesting. There are parallels worth considering. To do this sort of research you could invite people in with a more broad expertise in policy analysis at the level of studying tactics rather than climatology per se, I think. This struck me as an interesting parallel:

http://tc.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/15/suppl_4/iv68?ct

Methods: …. depositions and trial testimony transcripts … made by expert witnesses representing the tobacco industry …. Industry-supported publications within the peer-reviewed literature were also examined for statements on exposure misclassification, meta-analysis, and confounding.

Results: The witnesses challenged causation …. by citing limitations of epidemiologic research, raising methodological and statistical issues, and disputing biological plausibility. Though not often cited directly by the witnesses, the defence tactics mirrored the strategies used in industry-funded reports in the peer-reviewed literature.

This sort of research on the tactics used to influence public policy would be particularly interesting , when the same people apply the same tactics for, say, Western Fuels as they did for their previous industrial sponsor.

It’s early yet — you won’t have exact parallels to the tobacco court cases to look at. But I think you’d find it interesting.

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By: jfleck http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4006&cpage=1#comment-6773 jfleck Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:24:37 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4006#comment-6773 Roger - You've entered a space that journalists have long occupied. People with strong biases about a subject look to you for confirmation of those biases, and see it as a failing on your part when you don't point out what is, to them, obvious. Your blog has acquired the additional characteristic (also common to mainstream media publications) of being viewed by some readers as something of a commons, with the additional expectations that readers feel comfortable telling you what you ought to do here. Roger -

You’ve entered a space that journalists have long occupied. People with strong biases about a subject look to you for confirmation of those biases, and see it as a failing on your part when you don’t point out what is, to them, obvious. Your blog has acquired the additional characteristic (also common to mainstream media publications) of being viewed by some readers as something of a commons, with the additional expectations that readers feel comfortable telling you what you ought to do here.

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