Comments on: A View From Colorado Springs http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3769 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Ben http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3769&cpage=1#comment-3632 Ben Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:26:08 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3769#comment-3632 Sen. Inhofe is responding to what his constituency percieves as a threat on their livelihoods. Like Texas, but perhaps to an even greater degree, a large part of Oklahoma's economy and cultural history is deeply rooted in the oil industry. The male pep squad of Sooner football is, afterall, the "Ruff-necks." The Senator's actions, whether for good or bad, are understandable. Sen. Inhofe is responding to what his constituency percieves as a threat on their livelihoods. Like Texas, but perhaps to an even greater degree, a large part of Oklahoma’s economy and cultural history is deeply rooted in the oil industry. The male pep squad of Sooner football is, afterall, the “Ruff-necks.” The Senator’s actions, whether for good or bad, are understandable.

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By: Chris Weaver http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3769&cpage=1#comment-3631 Chris Weaver Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:26:18 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3769#comment-3631 Comments on two excerpts: "And if Inhofe or any member of Congress has reason to doubt this, inquiries are in order." Of course, "doubt" sometimes arises when you are predisposed to believe that your adversaries are acting in bad faith ("give those scientists an inch and they'll take a kilometer!") and you go digging for post-facto evidence ... "And given the power they wield on so many policy disputes, from global warming to the Endangered Species Act, it’s legitimate to ask if they have agendas." Of course, quantifying how much power scientists actually have in these kinds of debates is an ongoing topic of study. Probably it's more than some people think but it's probably less than most people think. I wonder whether it's possible to tease apart the relative influences of "scientists acting as honest brokers" and "scientists acting as advocates" in the outcome of a given policy dispute. -Chris Comments on two excerpts:

“And if Inhofe or any member of Congress has reason to doubt this, inquiries are in order.”

Of course, “doubt” sometimes arises when you are predisposed to believe that your adversaries are acting in bad faith (“give those scientists an inch and they’ll take a kilometer!”) and you go digging for post-facto evidence …

“And given the power they wield on so many policy disputes, from global warming to the Endangered Species Act, it’s legitimate to ask if they have agendas.”

Of course, quantifying how much power scientists actually have in these kinds of debates is an ongoing topic of study. Probably it’s more than some people think but it’s probably less than most people think.

I wonder whether it’s possible to tease apart the relative influences of “scientists acting as honest brokers” and “scientists acting as advocates” in the outcome of a given policy dispute.

-Chris

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By: Mitch http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3769&cpage=1#comment-3630 Mitch Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:04:44 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3769#comment-3630 "Union of Concerned Scientists — which for years has been pushing a RADICAL, LEFT-WING political agenda." (emphasis added) Having lived in Colorado Springs for a couple years... this reminds me why I left. "A View From Colorado Springs," indeed. “Union of Concerned Scientists — which for years has been pushing a RADICAL, LEFT-WING political agenda.” (emphasis added)

Having lived in Colorado Springs for a couple years… this reminds me why I left.

“A View From Colorado Springs,” indeed.

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By: Mitch http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3769&cpage=1#comment-3629 Mitch Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:34:45 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3769#comment-3629 Very well put. Thanks for weighing in. This little bit (from the editorial) is a nice example of how one can make a somewhat valid point but do so in such an inflamatory way as to, as Roger puts it, lead "people to align according to their political predispositions.:" "Some are shocked, shocked by the suggestion that science can be corrupted or co-opted — that researchers at NCAR and UCAR are doing anything other than objective research. How dare anyone question the integrity of "science," they huff. But that's a willfully naive view, given the way science, policy, advocacy and big money intermingle in this society." "Come an' git yer red meat, hea!" -Mitch Very well put. Thanks for weighing in.

This little bit (from the editorial) is a nice example of how one can make a somewhat valid point but do so in such an inflamatory way as to, as Roger puts it, lead “people to align according to their political predispositions.:”

“Some are shocked, shocked by the suggestion that science can be corrupted or co-opted — that researchers at NCAR and UCAR are doing anything other than objective research. How dare anyone question the integrity of “science,” they huff. But that’s a willfully naive view, given the way science, policy, advocacy and big money intermingle in this society.”

“Come an’ git yer red meat, hea!”

-Mitch

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