Comments on: You Must be a Creationist http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4199 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: DeWitt Payne http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4199&cpage=1#comment-9012 DeWitt Payne Tue, 08 May 2007 19:58:21 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4199#comment-9012 Re: Trolls I believe this adage originated in the USENET era: Don't feed the trolls. Ignore them and they will go away. The nice thing about USENET newsreaders was the killfile. Put a troll in your killfile and you never saw them directly again. Re: Trolls

I believe this adage originated in the USENET era: Don’t feed the trolls.

Ignore them and they will go away. The nice thing about USENET newsreaders was the killfile. Put a troll in your killfile and you never saw them directly again.

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4199&cpage=1#comment-9011 Roger Pielke, Jr. Sat, 05 May 2007 14:06:49 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4199#comment-9011 Lab Lemming- Thanks for your comment. I'm not much on denigrating people for their political affiliations or other characteristics (which I suppose makes me a rich target for the mindless partisans trolling the blogosphere;-). I'd much prefer to evaluate arguments on their merits. But I do take offense at people trying to characterize me as something I am not in an effort to argue by smear and avoid discussing the merits of particular issues. Thanks! Lab Lemming- Thanks for your comment. I’m not much on denigrating people for their political affiliations or other characteristics (which I suppose makes me a rich target for the mindless partisans trolling the blogosphere;-).

I’d much prefer to evaluate arguments on their merits. But I do take offense at people trying to characterize me as something I am not in an effort to argue by smear and avoid discussing the merits of particular issues. Thanks!

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By: Lab Lemming http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4199&cpage=1#comment-9010 Lab Lemming Sat, 05 May 2007 13:44:35 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4199#comment-9010 Of course, some of us are actually Republicans. Yet dispite this, our signal to noise ratios do not mysteriously degrade, our standard deviations remain low, and our ability to interperet results scientifically remains undiminished. It's almost like the natural world reveals its secrets in a non-partisan manner. Who would have thought? Of course, some of us are actually Republicans. Yet dispite this, our signal to noise ratios do not mysteriously degrade, our standard deviations remain low, and our ability to interperet results scientifically remains undiminished.

It’s almost like the natural world reveals its secrets in a non-partisan manner. Who would have thought?

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4199&cpage=1#comment-9009 Roger Pielke, Jr. Fri, 04 May 2007 23:34:56 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4199#comment-9009 Hank- Thanks. The figure cannot be linked to directly, but you can find it here on p. 250: http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Ch03.pdf Hank- Thanks. The figure cannot be linked to directly, but you can find it here on p. 250:

http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Ch03.pdf

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By: hank http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4199&cpage=1#comment-9008 hank Fri, 04 May 2007 21:48:50 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4199#comment-9008 Let's try to dig a bit deeper. My criticism of the Nature thread is the failure to point the readers to the original information --- where it can be considered in context. (It may show up Wednesday when someone there reads her email, I got an Out of Office bounce to a comment.) Please --- don't post only links to copies of images ---- copies can't be considered in context or even checked for misstatement. And posting copies adds Google Page Rank tallies to the copier's page instead of to the true source, which is venal. Post the pointer to the original image source; if the original is truly not linkable, or is a downloadable PDF or DOC file or the like, provide a citation to the original along with your copy. Give real sources for people to look at themselves. As to the "little at stake" line, it's misattributed. My excerpt below is from the longer excerpt posted with the book link here, which I commend to your attention: http://www.amazon.com/Quote-Verifier-Said-What-Where/dp/product-description/0312340044 "ACADEMIC politics are so vicious precisely because the stakes are so small." ... attributed to former Harvard professor Henry Kissinger. Well before Kissinger ... ... Harvard political scientist Richard Neustadt ... ... [1973] political scientist Wallace Sayre ... ... 1979 ... Laurence Peter ... ... C. P. Snow ... ...Daniel Patrick Moynihan ... ... Jesse Unruh (among others).... .... Woodrow Wilson ... observed often that the intensity of academic squabbles he witnessed while president of Princeton University was a function of the “triviality” of the issues being considered. "Verdict: An old academic saw that may have originated with Woodrow Wilson but was put in modern play by Wallace Sayre." Let’s try to dig a bit deeper.

My criticism of the Nature thread is the failure to point the readers to the original information — where it can be considered in context. (It may show up Wednesday when someone there reads her email, I got an Out of Office bounce to a comment.)

Please — don’t post only links to copies of images —- copies can’t be considered in context or even checked for misstatement.

And posting copies adds Google Page Rank tallies to the copier’s page instead of to the true source, which is venal.

Post the pointer to the original image source; if the original is truly not linkable, or is a downloadable PDF or DOC file or the like, provide a citation to the original along with your copy.

Give real sources for people to look at themselves.

As to the “little at stake” line, it’s misattributed.

My excerpt below is from the longer excerpt posted with the book link here, which I commend to your attention:

http://www.amazon.com/Quote-Verifier-Said-What-Where/dp/product-description/0312340044

“ACADEMIC politics are so vicious precisely because the stakes are so small.” … attributed to former Harvard professor Henry Kissinger. Well before Kissinger …
… Harvard political scientist Richard Neustadt …
… [1973] political scientist Wallace Sayre …
… 1979 … Laurence Peter …
… C. P. Snow …
…Daniel Patrick Moynihan …
… Jesse Unruh (among others)….
…. Woodrow Wilson … observed often that the intensity of academic squabbles he witnessed while president of Princeton University was a function of the “triviality” of the issues being considered.

“Verdict: An old academic saw that may have originated with Woodrow Wilson but was put in modern play by Wallace Sayre.”

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4199&cpage=1#comment-9007 Roger Pielke, Jr. Fri, 04 May 2007 15:27:11 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4199#comment-9007 Thanks Benny ... I dropped in over there to say hello, set the record straight ... uncanny timing with that post;-) Thanks Benny … I dropped in over there to say hello, set the record straight … uncanny timing with that post;-)

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By: SteveF http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4199&cpage=1#comment-9006 SteveF Fri, 04 May 2007 15:25:09 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4199#comment-9006 The internet is a strange place; it seems to bring out the worst in otherwise mild mannered people as well as encouraging the unhinged out of the woodwork. The Guardian newspaper began an interesting experiment, comment is free, in which all of the papers comment pieces (plus additional ones) appear as blogs. Unfortunately this site has become a magnet for extremes. Typically, any thread on the current UK government ends up with diatribes on Iraq, accusations of zionist conspiracies and all round lunacy. I'd say that this site exemplifies the potential of the 'net, but the myriad of problems associated with it. http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/index.html It seems to me that now everyone has a medium for their views, they are encouraged to believe that their opinions have merit, no matter how insane. If you think debate on science blogs is bad (even those that concern religion vs science), the political realm is far worse IMO. If we ever have to discuss climate science in connection with the Israeli state, then the proverbial will really hit the fan! The internet is a strange place; it seems to bring out the worst in otherwise mild mannered people as well as encouraging the unhinged out of the woodwork. The Guardian newspaper began an interesting experiment, comment is free, in which all of the papers comment pieces (plus additional ones) appear as blogs.

Unfortunately this site has become a magnet for extremes. Typically, any thread on the current UK government ends up with diatribes on Iraq, accusations of zionist conspiracies and all round lunacy. I’d say that this site exemplifies the potential of the ‘net, but the myriad of problems associated with it.

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/index.html

It seems to me that now everyone has a medium for their views, they are encouraged to believe that their opinions have merit, no matter how insane. If you think debate on science blogs is bad (even those that concern religion vs science), the political realm is far worse IMO. If we ever have to discuss climate science in connection with the Israeli state, then the proverbial will really hit the fan!

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By: Benny Peiser http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4199&cpage=1#comment-9005 Benny Peiser Fri, 04 May 2007 15:04:43 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4199#comment-9005 Roger You also keep up the good work, and don't get too exercised about online harrassment http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/05/nature_climate_blog_off_to_roc.php Just remember [Laurence] Peter’s Theory of Entrepreneurial Aggressiveness in Higher Education: “Competition in academia is so vicious because the stakes are so small.” Roger

You also keep up the good work, and don’t get too exercised about online harrassment
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/05/nature_climate_blog_off_to_roc.php

Just remember [Laurence] Peter’s Theory of Entrepreneurial Aggressiveness in Higher Education: “Competition in academia is so vicious because the stakes are so small.”

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