Comments on: Once Again Attributing Katrina’s Damages to Greenhouse Gases http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3774 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Rabett http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3774&cpage=1#comment-3726 Rabett Sat, 01 Apr 2006 01:28:53 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3774#comment-3726 Roger, you got suckered. Hansen said in that Acrobat link: "The constraints placed on scientists, preventing them from informing the public about their concerns, is much worse in places such as the National Institutes Health and the Environmental Protection Agency than it is in NASA. My quotation on 20 April 2006 Freedom Forum calendar, In my more than three decades in government, I have never seen anything approaching the degree to which information flow from scientists to the public has been controlled as it is now”, is accurate." If anyone wants to continue elsewhere http://tinyurl.com/ekabt Roger, you got suckered. Hansen said in that Acrobat link:

“The constraints placed on scientists, preventing them from informing the public about their concerns, is much worse in places such as the National Institutes Health and the Environmental Protection Agency than it is in NASA. My quotation on 20 April 2006 Freedom Forum calendar, In my more than three decades in government, I have never seen anything approaching the degree to which information flow from scientists to the public has been controlled as it is now”, is accurate.”

If anyone wants to continue elsewhere http://tinyurl.com/ekabt

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By: Roger Pielke Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3774&cpage=1#comment-3725 Roger Pielke Jr. Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:06:37 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3774#comment-3725 Lest this thread be completely hijacked, we can now return to regularly scheduled programming;-) Lest this thread be completely hijacked, we can now return to regularly scheduled programming;-)

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By: Roger Pielke Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3774&cpage=1#comment-3724 Roger Pielke Jr. Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:56:49 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3774#comment-3724 New NASA information policy: http://www.nasa.gov/audience/formedia/features/communication_policy.html New NASA information policy:

http://www.nasa.gov/audience/formedia/features/communication_policy.html

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By: Roger Pielke Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3774&cpage=1#comment-3723 Roger Pielke Jr. Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:49:57 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3774#comment-3723 http://www.house.gov/science/press/109/109-218.htm Committee on Science SHERWOOD BOEHLERT, CHAIRMAN Bart Gordon, Tennessee, Ranking Democrat Press Contacts: Joe Pouliot (202) 225-4275 BOEHLERT STATEMENT ON NEW NASA PUBLIC AFFAIRS POLICY WASHINGTON, March 30, 2006 – House Science Committee Chairman Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY) today issued the following statement in response to the release of a new public affairs policy for NASA: “I am very pleased with NASA’s efforts to develop a clear public affairs policy that puts a premium on open communication. This policy should become a model for the entire federal government. I am particularly pleased to see that the policy allows scientists to communicate their views as long as they make clear they are not speaking for the agency. I applaud Administrator Mike Griffin and Deputy Administrator Shana Dale for acting swiftly and forcefully when presented with information indicating that NASA scientists were not always able to speak their minds. I also greatly appreciate their efforts to keep Congressman Bart Gordon and me up-to-date as the policy was being drafted. Obviously, the full test of the policy will occur once it is implemented. I will continue to carefully review NASA’s activities to ensure that the policy truly results in an agency that fully complies with the principles of openness that are stated in the policy.” # # # 109-218 http://www.house.gov/science/press/109/109-218.htm

Committee on Science
SHERWOOD BOEHLERT, CHAIRMAN
Bart Gordon, Tennessee, Ranking Democrat

Press Contacts:
Joe Pouliot
(202) 225-4275

BOEHLERT STATEMENT ON NEW NASA PUBLIC AFFAIRS POLICY

WASHINGTON, March 30, 2006 – House Science Committee Chairman Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY) today issued the following statement in response to the release of a new public affairs policy for NASA:

“I am very pleased with NASA’s efforts to develop a clear public affairs policy that puts a premium on open communication. This policy should become a model for the entire federal government. I am particularly pleased to see that the policy allows scientists to communicate their views as long as they make clear they are not speaking for the agency. I applaud Administrator Mike Griffin and Deputy Administrator Shana Dale for acting swiftly and forcefully when presented with information indicating that NASA scientists were not always able to speak their minds. I also greatly appreciate their efforts to keep Congressman Bart Gordon and me up-to-date as the policy was being drafted. Obviously, the full test of the policy will occur once it is implemented. I will continue to carefully review NASA’s activities to ensure that the policy truly results in an agency that fully complies with the principles of openness that are stated in the policy.”

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109-218

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By: Roger Pielke Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3774&cpage=1#comment-3722 Roger Pielke Jr. Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:37:01 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3774#comment-3722 Eli- Yes, actually a lot of people heard from Jim Hansen on this. Here you go: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:11:54 -0500 From: James Hansen To: jhansen@giss.nasa.gov Cc: jhansen@giss.nasa.gov Subject: "Political Inclinations" and "Back to Science" To be removed from Hansen's e-mail distribution list, respond to sender with "Remove" as the subject. "Political Inclinations" Following statement was placed on my web site in response to journalist requests and (moderate number of) e-mails/letters from the public (not colleagues). http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/polinclin.pdf "Back to Science" Dear Colleague, Last December, following a talk on global warming that I gave at the AGU meeting, NASA Public Affairs attempted to place rigid constraints on my ability to communicate with the media and the public. When I objected publicly to their proposed constraints, and ignored them, I received several offers of pro bono counsel. I accepted advice from the Government Accountability Project (GAP), headed by Louis Clark. I especially appreciate the practical, insightful guidance of GAP Legal Director Tom Devine with regard to my legal rights of free speech and how to protect myself in exercising them. I urge anybody with similar concerns to contact GAP. The situation in NASA regarding free speech (albeit not science funding) is promising. There is no doubt that Administrator Griffin recognized the problem, fully supports openness and free speech, and intends to have supportive rules and procedures. If implementation by Public Affairs differs from that spirit, you will hear about it. NOAA’s Admiral Lautenbacher also expressed support for openness. I am unaware of whether actions are being taken to insure free speech in NOAA. It will be interesting to query NOAA colleagues to see if there is still selective use of government ‘minders’ to monitor interactions with the media on topics such as global warming. The situation in EPA, where double-speak (“sound science”, “clear skies”, …) has achieved a level that would make George Orwell envious, is much bleaker, based on the impression that I receive from limited discussion with colleagues there. The battle to achieve open communication between government scientists and their employer, the public, is far from won. Nevertheless, I agree with the opinion of colleagues that the focus should be on discussing solutions to global warming. Unless some new event demands it, I am not going to participate further in “whistle-blower” activities. In particular, I decline the generous offer of GAP and Rick Piltz to share in a whistle-blower award and ceremony in April. I think that it would be most useful and effective for the spotlight to shine brightly on Rick Piltz and EPA, where the rubber meets the road. My personal aim is to get back to science research full time, especially on quantifying options for dealing with global warming. Sincere apologies for overdue book reviews, workshop reports, and science manuscripts. As of now, I am working on these. Best regards, Jim Hansen Eli- Yes, actually a lot of people heard from Jim Hansen on this. Here you go:

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:11:54 -0500
From: James Hansen
To: jhansen@giss.nasa.gov
Cc: jhansen@giss.nasa.gov
Subject: “Political Inclinations” and “Back to Science”

To be removed from Hansen’s e-mail distribution list, respond to sender with “Remove” as the subject.

“Political Inclinations”
Following statement was placed on my web site in response to journalist requests and (moderate number of) e-mails/letters from the public (not colleagues).

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/polinclin.pdf

“Back to Science”

Dear Colleague,
Last December, following a talk on global warming that I gave at the AGU meeting, NASA Public Affairs attempted to place rigid constraints on my ability to communicate with the media and the public. When I objected publicly to their proposed constraints, and ignored them, I received several offers of pro bono counsel. I accepted advice from the Government Accountability Project (GAP), headed by Louis Clark. I especially appreciate the practical, insightful guidance of GAP Legal Director Tom Devine with regard to my legal rights of free speech and how to protect myself in exercising them. I urge anybody with similar concerns to contact GAP.
The situation in NASA regarding free speech (albeit not science funding) is promising. There is no doubt that Administrator Griffin recognized the problem, fully supports openness and free speech, and intends to have supportive rules and procedures. If implementation by Public Affairs differs from that spirit, you will hear about it.
NOAA’s Admiral Lautenbacher also expressed support for openness. I am unaware of whether actions are being taken to insure free speech in NOAA. It will be interesting to query NOAA colleagues to see if there is still selective use of government ‘minders’ to monitor interactions with the media on topics such as global warming. The situation in EPA, where double-speak (“sound science”, “clear skies”, …) has achieved a level that would make George Orwell envious, is much bleaker, based on the impression that I receive from limited discussion with colleagues there. The battle to achieve open communication between government scientists and their employer, the public, is far from won.
Nevertheless, I agree with the opinion of colleagues that the focus should be on discussing solutions to global warming. Unless some new event demands it, I am not going to participate further in “whistle-blower”
activities. In particular, I decline the generous offer of GAP and Rick Piltz to share in a whistle-blower award and ceremony in April. I think that it would be most useful and effective for the spotlight to shine brightly on Rick Piltz and EPA, where the rubber meets the road.
My personal aim is to get back to science research full time, especially on quantifying options for dealing with global warming. Sincere apologies for overdue book reviews, workshop reports, and science manuscripts. As of now, I am working on these.
Best regards, Jim Hansen

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By: Rabett http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3774&cpage=1#comment-3721 Rabett Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:11:42 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3774#comment-3721 Come on Roger, the Providence Journal article was dated March 26, five days ago, that was really dated man. The Wall Street Journal article was dated February 16, a whole month and a half ago, ancient man, ancient. The article about how NOAA is manipulating science about fisheries was June 2005, 10 months, but what do you want to bet there will be similar articles this summer when water is low in the NW. Here is another from Nov 2004 http://www.fishsniffer.com/dbachere/041104noaa.html. And I take it you have heard directly from Jim Hansen that he is fully satisfied. Funny, my grapevine says different. Since this is a family blog I won't use the barnyard description of what you are trying to do. Come on Roger, the Providence Journal article was dated March 26, five days ago, that was really dated man. The Wall Street Journal article was dated February 16, a whole month and a half ago, ancient man, ancient. The article about how NOAA is manipulating science about fisheries was June 2005, 10 months, but what do you want to bet there will be similar articles this summer when water is low in the NW. Here is another from Nov 2004 http://www.fishsniffer.com/dbachere/041104noaa.html.

And I take it you have heard directly from Jim Hansen that he is fully satisfied. Funny, my grapevine says different.

Since this is a family blog I won’t use the barnyard description of what you are trying to do.

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By: Roger Pielke Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3774&cpage=1#comment-3720 Roger Pielke Jr. Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:02:57 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3774#comment-3720 Steve Bloom- You are welcome to post here. However, continued misrepresentations of my views will be ignored. You've made your views known. Thanks. Steve Bloom- You are welcome to post here. However, continued misrepresentations of my views will be ignored. You’ve made your views known. Thanks.

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By: Steve Bloom http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3774&cpage=1#comment-3719 Steve Bloom Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:08:48 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3774#comment-3719 Roger, regarding your point 4 above, recall that it was Chris Landsea who took this whole thing negative when he used his IPCC resignation letter to attack Trenberth. Given how recent Mahlstrom's comments are (you say in effect "what does he know, he was only the head of GFDL for 15 years" -- huh?) and Judy Curry's slightly less recent ES&T remarks about the negative role played by you (among others), I think your papering-over exercise is less than a success. As for the failure of concerned NOAA folks to contact you, why in the world would any of them trust you with their careers? I sure wouldn't. All of that said, I'm not at all interested in seeing public fights among hurricane scientists, but your campaign to pretend that the differences over the science are less than they are is getting a little tired. Roger, regarding your point 4 above, recall that it was Chris Landsea who took this whole thing negative when he used his IPCC resignation letter to attack Trenberth. Given how recent Mahlstrom’s comments are (you say in effect “what does he know, he was only the head of GFDL for 15 years” — huh?) and Judy Curry’s slightly less recent ES&T remarks about the negative role played by you (among others), I think your papering-over exercise is less than a success. As for the failure of concerned NOAA folks to contact you, why in the world would any of them trust you with their careers? I sure wouldn’t.

All of that said, I’m not at all interested in seeing public fights among hurricane scientists, but your campaign to pretend that the differences over the science are less than they are is getting a little tired.

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By: Jim http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3774&cpage=1#comment-3718 Jim Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:38:55 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3774#comment-3718 Regarding the attribution of GW to Katrina, or more specifically, the warmer Gulf waters to Katrina, has anyone looked at this with a model instead of an envelope. It seems like you could take some flavor of the MM5 model, run a simulation with the actual SSTs from Katrina. Then do the same simulation with long-term average SSTs and compare the differences. Any differences could then be attributed to the elevated SSTs of last year. I realize it's a little trickier than that to set up but it seems like an obvious first step in resolving this issue. Regarding the attribution of GW to Katrina, or more specifically, the warmer Gulf waters to Katrina, has anyone looked at this with a model instead of an envelope. It seems like you could take some flavor of the MM5 model, run a simulation with the actual SSTs from Katrina. Then do the same simulation with long-term average SSTs and compare the differences. Any differences could then be attributed to the elevated SSTs of last year. I realize it’s a little trickier than that to set up but it seems like an obvious first step in resolving this issue.

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By: llewelly http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3774&cpage=1#comment-3717 llewelly Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:32:52 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3774#comment-3717 Roger, thank you for description of the discussion that went on at the Lamont meeting. To me, that's very good news all around. Roger, thank you for description of the discussion that went on at the Lamont meeting. To me, that’s very good news all around.

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