Comments on: The Benefits of Red Wine and the Politics of Science http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4007 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: David Bruggeman http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4007&cpage=1#comment-6780 David Bruggeman Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:53:20 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4007#comment-6780 Any reports I've read about the research are silent on whether or not humans may benefit from different doses of the compound than mice. In fact, they make the same extrapolation that I did - humans would benefit from the same proportion of intake as the mice. Presumably this bears out for most medical research based on mice models, otherwise they wouldn't be as favored a research model as they are. Any reports I’ve read about the research are silent on whether or not humans may benefit from different doses of the compound than mice. In fact, they make the same extrapolation that I did – humans would benefit from the same proportion of intake as the mice. Presumably this bears out for most medical research based on mice models, otherwise they wouldn’t be as favored a research model as they are.

]]> By: Steve Hemphill http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4007&cpage=1#comment-6779 Steve Hemphill Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:26:43 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4007#comment-6779 David - Your statement does not follow. Just because the mice benefitted from a larger amount does not mean there is *no* benefit from a smaller dose - particularly considering the time frames involved. I'm not saying your final statement is wrong, I'm just saying your logic is faulty. David -

Your statement does not follow. Just because the mice benefitted from a larger amount does not mean there is *no* benefit from a smaller dose – particularly considering the time frames involved. I’m not saying your final statement is wrong, I’m just saying your logic is faulty.

]]> By: David Bruggeman http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4007&cpage=1#comment-6778 David Bruggeman Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:51:44 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4007#comment-6778 While this is a great point, there is a problem with the research (and the industry's approach to it), that is troublesome. From the article: "Of course, in contrast to Ms. Guiliano and Mr. Safer, who were talking about people drinking a glass or two a day, the latest research relies on data concerning mice given a drug at dosages equivalent to drinking hundreds of glasses of wine. But industry analysts say that distinction will probably not register with most consumers, who will primarily hear a reinforcement of the now familiar message that red wine is good for one’s health." Given the need to self-pickle to obtain the benefits of this compound, and the industry's willingness to downplay that fact, I think the restrictions on advertising are warranted. While this is a great point, there is a problem with the research (and the industry’s approach to it), that is troublesome.

From the article:
“Of course, in contrast to Ms. Guiliano and Mr. Safer, who were talking about people drinking a glass or two a day, the latest research relies on data concerning mice given a drug at dosages equivalent to drinking hundreds of glasses of wine. But industry analysts say that distinction will probably not register with most consumers, who will primarily hear a reinforcement of the now familiar message that red wine is good for one’s health.”

Given the need to self-pickle to obtain the benefits of this compound, and the industry’s willingness to downplay that fact, I think the restrictions on advertising are warranted.

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