Comments on: Scientific Leadership on Hurricanes and Global Warming http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3888 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Dr. J http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3888&cpage=1#comment-5252 Dr. J Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:33:33 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3888#comment-5252 I agree that this is a significant departure in the AGW climate wars, scientists actually coming to a consensus with no one questioning it. Skeptics and believers alike can endorse common sense in coastal planning,zoning, and insurance policy. Why can't this be done in other policy issues? As a skeptic, I can easily see many politically neutral and possible points of agreement along the lines of this detente. I agree that this is a significant departure in the AGW climate wars, scientists actually coming to a consensus with no one questioning it. Skeptics and believers alike can endorse common sense in coastal planning,zoning, and insurance policy. Why can’t this be done in other policy issues? As a skeptic, I can easily see many politically neutral and possible points of agreement along the lines of this detente.

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3888&cpage=1#comment-5251 Roger Pielke, Jr. Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:11:50 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3888#comment-5251 Matt and Eric- Thanks for the links, very thoughtful stuff. I encourage everyone to visit their links: http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/ http://scienceblogs.com/framing-science/2006/07/climate_scientists_create_news.php Thanks! Matt and Eric- Thanks for the links, very thoughtful stuff. I encourage everyone to visit their links:

http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/

http://scienceblogs.com/framing-science/2006/07/climate_scientists_create_news.php

Thanks!

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By: Eric Berger http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3888&cpage=1#comment-5250 Eric Berger Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:28:16 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3888#comment-5250 Roger, If I may toot my own horn, I addressed this topic, with considerable approval, on Wednesday morning: http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/ Eric Roger,

If I may toot my own horn, I addressed this topic, with considerable approval, on Wednesday morning:

http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/

Eric

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By: Jim Clarke http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3888&cpage=1#comment-5249 Jim Clarke Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:16:40 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3888#comment-5249 Steve, There is a big difference between saying something should be done because X is going to happen, and something should be done regardless of whether X happens or not. In signing the statement, Curry agrees that improving hurricane policy, mitigation and preparedness is really the important social issue, with AGW enhanced tropical activity being relatively inconsequential in comparison. One can not say that such a mindset is implied by her previous statements. Steve,

There is a big difference between saying something should be done because X is going to happen, and something should be done regardless of whether X happens or not.

In signing the statement, Curry agrees that improving hurricane policy, mitigation and preparedness is really the important social issue, with AGW enhanced tropical activity being relatively inconsequential in comparison. One can not say that such a mindset is implied by her previous statements.

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By: Matthew C. Nisbet http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3888&cpage=1#comment-5248 Matthew C. Nisbet Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:14:10 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3888#comment-5248 I have posted an analysis of the statement and why it is relevant to rethinking how scientists define for journalists what is newsworthy here: http://scienceblogs.com/framing-science/2006/07/climate_scientists_create_news.php I have posted an analysis of the statement and why it is relevant to rethinking how scientists define for journalists what is newsworthy here:

http://scienceblogs.com/framing-science/2006/07/climate_scientists_create_news.php

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By: Matthew C. Nisbet http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3888&cpage=1#comment-5247 Matthew C. Nisbet Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:00:03 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3888#comment-5247 I've been meaning to blog about this over at scienceblogs.com/framing-science, and hope to have a better discussion in the next few days. But...this is exactly what scientists need to do more of. They need to work with journalists to create news pegs that focus on the relevance and connection of science to policy. Otherwise, there is a repeating pattern in coverage. Science writers do a good job of covering the release of a new study or writing more thematic scientific backgrounders, but often times don't do much on exploring the policy angles. Political reporters start paying attention when the White House or Congress put the issue on their agendas, but usually this coverage focuses on strategy, personalities, and sometimes leads to the type of false balancing that everyone criticizes. When policy angles are covered by political reporters, they are usually dichotomized into just the Democrats' versus Republican plans. Sometimes you will see policy discussion break out of the partisan dichotomy on the opinion pages when experts contribute op-eds, but for the most part, with the exception of just a few of the very best columnists, opinion pages feature the same type of limited partisan policy discussion. I think the recent hurricane release is a great example of how scientists, journal editors, and scientific organizations can can step beyond just the promotion of a single study, and start to negotiate news that focuses on the policy-relevance of research. I’ve been meaning to blog about this over at scienceblogs.com/framing-science, and hope to have a better discussion in the next few days.

But…this is exactly what scientists need to do more of. They need to work with journalists to create news pegs that focus on the relevance and connection of science to policy. Otherwise, there is a repeating pattern in coverage. Science writers do a good job of covering the release of a new study or writing more thematic scientific backgrounders, but often times don’t do much on exploring the policy angles. Political reporters start paying attention when the White House or Congress put the issue on their agendas, but usually this coverage focuses on strategy, personalities, and sometimes leads to the type of false balancing that everyone criticizes. When policy angles are covered by political reporters, they are usually dichotomized into just the Democrats’ versus Republican plans.

Sometimes you will see policy discussion break out of the partisan dichotomy on the opinion pages when experts contribute op-eds, but for the most part, with the exception of just a few of the very best columnists, opinion pages feature the same type of limited partisan policy discussion.

I think the recent hurricane release is a great example of how scientists, journal editors, and scientific organizations can can step beyond just the promotion of a single study, and start to negotiate news that focuses on the policy-relevance of research.

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3888&cpage=1#comment-5246 Roger Pielke, Jr. Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:38:52 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3888#comment-5246 Over at ScienceBlogs The Intersection and Stoat respond to my taunt, finding much to agree with in the statement by the climatologists. Over at ScienceBlogs The Intersection and Stoat respond to my taunt, finding much to agree with in the statement by the climatologists.

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By: Steve Bloom http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3888&cpage=1#comment-5245 Steve Bloom Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:31:50 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3888#comment-5245 Semantic arguments aside about whether she did or didn't discuss policy, she did say (and on this very blog not long ago): "No matter what we decide to do about the greenhouse warming issue, the most vulnerable coastal cities need to reconsider their coastal engineering, land use practices, emergency procedures, etc. in view of the risk of increasing hurricane activity and the longer range prospect of sea level rise." That seems pretty close. Semantic arguments aside about whether she did or didn’t discuss policy, she did say (and on this very blog not long ago): “No matter what we decide to do about the greenhouse warming issue, the most vulnerable coastal cities need to reconsider their coastal engineering, land use practices, emergency procedures, etc. in view of the risk of increasing hurricane activity and the longer range prospect of sea level rise.” That seems pretty close.

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3888&cpage=1#comment-5244 Roger Pielke, Jr. Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:55:35 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3888#comment-5244 Steve- I think that the statement breaks new ground for all except Landsea, Mayfield, and Emanuel. For instance, you might recall Judy Curry writing here not long ago that she doesn't discuss policy. Steve- I think that the statement breaks new ground for all except Landsea, Mayfield, and Emanuel. For instance, you might recall Judy Curry writing here not long ago that she doesn’t discuss policy.

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By: Steve Bloom http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3888&cpage=1#comment-5243 Steve Bloom Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:30:19 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3888#comment-5243 Really? Just out of curiosity, who of these folks do you think hasn't made a similar past statement? I'm willing to double-check one or two of them. Really? Just out of curiosity, who of these folks do you think hasn’t made a similar past statement? I’m willing to double-check one or two of them.

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