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January 01, 2008Is there any weather inconsistent with the the scientific consensus on climate?Posted to Author: Pielke Jr., R. | Climate Change | Scientific Assessments Two years ago I asked a question of climate scientists that never received a good answer. Over at the TierneyLab at the New York Times, John Tierney raises the question again: What behavior of the climate system could hypothetically be observed over the next 1, 5, 10 years that would be inconsistent with the current consensus on climate change? My focus is on extreme events like floods and hurricanes, so please consider those, but consider any other climate metric or phenomena you think important as well for answering this question. Ideally, a response would focus on more than just sea level rise and global average temperature, but if these are the only metrics that are relevant here that too would be very interesting to know. The answer, it seems, is "nothing would be inconsistent," but I am open to being educated. Climate scientists especially invited to weigh in in the comments or via email, here or at the TierneyLab. And a Happy 2008 to all our readers! Posted on January 1, 2008 10:26 AMCommentsDr. Pielke, since so much of your writings seem consumed with the problem of separating science from politics, why in the world would you associate yourself with John Tierney, a Ayn Rand type libertarian, who seeks every opportunity to attack scientists whose critiques he interprets as undermining his own free market ideology. Before he began his column in the science section of the Times, he wrote an op-ed for the paper that was far more ideologically driven than any other regular contributor. By being linked with him, you undermine your own credibility. Posted by: lproyect lproyect- Thanks for the warning, however, here at Prometheus we tend to follow that old-fashioned notion that ideas should be evaluated on their merits. Efforts to smear by association or political leanings usually means that one probably has no good substantive (counter)arguments to offer. Posted by: Roger Pielke, Jr. I read the ranting over at the NYT. But, this is a fair enough question, and everyone ought to be able to give an answer. I base mine on the trend in GMST. I wrote up something longer, but the short of it is: If we fail to reject the time rate of change in GMST is zero at a confidence level of 5% using sufficient numbers of data to give a statistical power of at least 90% then, I would consider this empirical proof that the world is not warming. Of course, we need to do the test correctly, accounting for serial autocorrelation etc. But basically, that's it. If there is no positive trend, the world is not warming. Posted by: lucia Perhaps the reason you have not received an answer to your question is that it was perceived as rhetorical. I certainly thought it was when you first asked. Just curious, but did you directly ask any climate scientists or just post the question on your blog? However assuming that it was not rhetorical... 1)On a simplistic level the answer is nothing. Because of random fluctuations anything could happen. Just as it would take more then 5 or 10 rolls of the dice to prove a set is not loaded, it would take more then 5 or 10 years to disprove AGW. But you already knew that. I could only get through a fraction of the responses at Teirney Labs but there are a couple of good answers among the vast majority of crap.
Posted by: Nosmo Patrick Johnson writes in by email (we're upgrading the site soon, I promise!); ----------------- ----------------------- Posted by: Roger Pielke, Jr. Yep, it's also called inertia... http://www.suppressedscience.net/inertiaofscientificthought.html Posted by: Harry Haymuss Fantastic question, Roger! It gets at the crux of what is science vs. what is advocacy. Science is falsifiable. In his long rambling comment above, Nosmo failed to give the obvious answer--If the real-world data diverges so drastically and persistently from IPCC projections, that no other conclusion is possible except that IPCC projections are based upon a failed hypotheses. Sad, but typical of "consensus science" true believers. Posted by: legion Post a commentThanks for signing in, . Now you can comment. (sign out) (If you haven't left a comment here before, you may need to be approved by the site owner before your comment will appear. Until then, it won't appear on the entry. Thanks for waiting.) |
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