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November 15, 2007

The Technological Fix


Posted to Author: Hale, B. | Climate Change | Disasters | Environment | R&D Funding | Science + Politics | Technology Policy

On Monday we had Michael Shellenberger and Ted Nordhaus kindly give a lecture on their new book Break Through. It was great to have them stop by, and nice to have an opportunity to get answers to questions about their book. Turnout was in the 100 range, judging by the size of the room. If you haven't read the book yet, you can either buy it, camp out in Borders with a cup of joe, or check out a three minute overview given by Geoff McGhee and Andrew Revkin of the NY Times covering the "New Environmental Centrists."

I want to respond to at least one of their claims, as well as a claim that appears to be circulating in the blogo-ether as what Revkin is calling the "Centrist" position, regarding the thought that we should encourage technological fixes to our problems. The reason I want to respond to this claim is both because I think it's right; and because I think it's, well, not right.

So let's talk about technological fixes.

I'm something of a technology buff. I like gadgets. I like science. And I like what technology does for me and the world. I also like what came about as a result of the ramped up R&D funds during the nineties. Moreover, I've never been totally enthusiastic about some of the neo-luddite language that once passed as environmentalist, so I agree with Shellenberger and Nordhaus (S&N) that we should all be encouraging, funding, supporting, and promoting technologies that help our civilization and our country advance. In fact, I also agree that environmentalists should be considerably more aspirational than desperational.

S&N argue persuasively that the "politics of limits" -- which is, roughly, the idea that regulation can serve as a cure-all to the world's environmental problems -- ought to be replaced with a "politics of possibility" -- which is kind of hopeful thinking about new possible worlds. Their argument runs primarily along political strategy lines and is buttressed by many studies that show that Americans don't respond well to the pessimism and "scare tactics" of environmentalism. The book's central idea should be familiar to anyone who has read their earlier work, Death of Environmentalism. In the end, it hangs on this dichotomy of political orientations: limits versus possibility.

And in this dichotomy lies the problem. It's a false concretism, supported mainly by S&N's choices of what counts as an environmental issue. Much of their book is geared to address concerns that relate to climate change. That's fine and well, of course, because climate change is one of the major hurdles that has been motivating the environmental movement for the past ten years or so. But it is also true that environmentalists have been dealing with many more problems than climate change for quite some time now. To declare the death of environmentalism, or to suggest that the positive panacea to the chicken-little environmental frame of mind is through technological and economic fixes, and that these fixes run contrary to the politics of limits, is to undermine a critical ethical thread that runs through environmental thinking altogether.

The greatest real-world instance of this thread is the relatively wide range of environmental issues that don't fall under the category of climate change; that were, prior to Al Gore and the Prius, central environmental issues. Here I'm thinking of issues like deforestation, desertification, extinction, habitat encroachment, water depletion, and so on. Environmental issues span the gamut, and many of them deal with human activities in and around nature. These issues can never be handled by technological or economic fixes, precisely because they are not problems of technical or economic failure. Some issues, for instance, relate to the problem of urban sprawl or to overconsumption, which cannot possibly be solved by appeal to technological or economic fixes. The "over" in 'overconsumption' isn't determined by what other people don't have (though that, surely, is part of it); it's determined by how much a person is entitled to and how much a person can reasonably use. Even Locke recognizes prohibitions against spoilage. These are primarily ethical and philosophical notions.

A second problem is that many of the classic environmental issues, among which climate change is only one, are best characterized as conflicts of interest, not just between two actors, but also between one actor and the environment. I want a cherry dining set, you want a cherry dining set, and there ain't enough cherry growing fast enough to give us both what we want. Moreover, when I take that cherry for my cherry dining set, I deprive the world of that cherry tree. In this case, it's not just any cherry tree; it's that cherry tree; that cherry tree under which Harold kissed Maude, under which Abe told his truth, under which Erma held her bowl. So too for many environmental problems: I want a ski slope, so I take that mountain. I want a fountain, so I take that reservoir. I want a McMansion development, so I take that open space. Taking specific features of nature yields particularized conflicts of interest; but even more than this, particularized clashes over what is and what is not permissible. Again, permissibility is an ethical issue, only loosely and tangentially related to the so-called "politics of limits."

What I'm expressing here isn't at all pessimism about technology. Far from it. As I've said, I like and support technological innovation. I'd even root for a budget that included a lot of it. I'm hoping to point out that S&N's "politics of limits vs politics of possibility" dichotomy has many rough edges; inattention to which heralds a premature call for the death of environmentalism.

For more on this, my colleague Michael Zimmerman, Professor in the Philosophy Department and the Environmental Studies Program, as well as an outspoken advocate of an expansively multidisciplinary approach to environmental issues, Integral Ecology, has his own new blog and has further comments on S&N here: http://integralecology-michaelz.blogspot.com/

Posted on November 15, 2007 08:54 AM

Comments

"The greatest real-world instance of this thread is the relatively wide range of environmental issues that don't fall under the category of climate change ... Here I'm thinking of issues like deforestation, desertification..."

Huh? Are you not paying attention? Deforestation and desertification have nothing to do with climate change? May I suggest you go take a thermo class?

Posted by: The Heretic [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 15, 2007 09:39 PM


Does that say "don't fall under the category of" or does it say "have nothing to do with"? Are the two identical?

May I suggest you read a little more carefully before suggesting I take a class in thermo?

Posted by: Ben Hale [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 15, 2007 11:42 PM


The statement "don't fall under the category of" falls under the category of reinforcing dogma, dogma which is simplistic - that they don't affect climate. They do. That's the real climate denial - that things other than CO2 play a part in AGW.

It's not that I disagree with your post otherwise - mostly. One thing is that energy is not an end, it is a means to an end. What end then? That's a personal decision. I don't see myself being happy sitting on a fuel cell in an empty lot.

It certainly would be beneficial to concentrate on cleaning up real pollution though.

Thermodynamics plays such a big part in climate that those who have not had a course in it aren't discussing the science - they are only reciting studies - studies with ramifications that are frequently ignored.

Posted by: The Heretic [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 16, 2007 05:11 PM


P.S. Energy research is indeed extremely important. I agree wholeheartedly there. If we would have spent a trillion dollars on research instead of the Iraq war (aka the Bush Crusade) we probably wouldn't have needed any of their oil. This is compounded by the fact that we are even laying off thousands of people at the national labs because of the lack of money - labs that should be taking the lead on this research.

Posted by: The Heretic [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 16, 2007 05:24 PM


Um, no. You've missed the point entirely.

I'm talking about issues that don't fall under the heading "climate change," like desertification and deforestation. Yes, they are sometimes related to climate change, but not if desertification comes about because I've rotated my crops poorly; and not if deforestation comes about because I chop down acres of forest to make dowel rods.

Decaying bodies also affect the climate, but that's not the problem with you driving a knife in my neck.

Posted by: Ben Hale [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2007 12:02 AM


Sorry about the knife. As I said, I agree with most of what you've said - but your memes are apparently in the way of understanding my point.

As part of the golden billion, you may have not seen it. 5.5 billion people rotating their crops poorly or cutting down forests for fresh land will indeed cause climate change by reducing evapotranspiration, therefore removal of latent heat from the surface and altering cloud patterns. That's where thermodynamics come in.

This is widely suppressed by those wanting to "trade carbon" and of course get their commission. All they have to do is convince a bunch of sheep that it's all CO2.

If we concentrated on real pollution - e.g.
http://www.chem.unep.ch/pops/
or the byproducts of energy production like black carbon we would be better off than we are spending time on CO2 (the *product* of combustion) - at least until the science and models tell us what's really going on.

First, we need to extricate ourselves from the current Christian vs. Moslem Crusade and start to spend money on research and development instead - our Founding Fathers are no doubt rolling over in their graves on our failure at this point to keep church and state separate - but that's a different story...

No, it's not. We need to spend that money on research and development. The global image of the USA would have been much better if we had spent the trillion from Iraq on, for example, just providing clean water supplies to 99% of the world's population that don't have it. ZPG is a different story though...

Spending a lot of money on research for energy independence, without getting involved in a lie about "global warming", would certainly help our future. It's both a theoretical problem and an engineering problem. As Zimmerman says, we need another Manhattan Project.

Posted by: The Heretic [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2007 05:40 AM


I guess I won't bother. You obviously have too much invested in whatever view it is that you're trying to propound to engage in discussions unrelated to climate change. "CO2" doesn't appear anywhere in my post.

Posted by: Ben Hale [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2007 01:04 PM


Like it or not, you were discussing climate change when you mentioned desertification and deforestation. If you can't or won't admit it, then ... go take a thermo class.

Posted by: The Heretic [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 18, 2007 08:45 AM


Peace. I'll probably not do that, but thanks for the suggestion.

Posted by: Ben Hale [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 18, 2007 01:10 PM


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