Comments on: From the Comments: Roger Caiazza on Cap and Trade http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5058 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: John F. Pittman http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5058&cpage=1#comment-12995 John F. Pittman Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:04:52 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5058#comment-12995 RogerC when decidng about alternatives such as under the SO2 regulations, life-cycle analysis was done in order to avoid early obselence and economic loss. With large energy units at a 7 to 10 year plan stage with expected lifetimes of 30+ years, has the economic costs including avoidance been taken into account in any of the analysis that you have seen. I have seen load factors as low as 10% with 20% as normal for wind. However, the economic analysis assumed the breakeven point at 30%. Without life-cycle analysis for existing and projected units, the economic estimations could be woefully incorrect. RogerC when decidng about alternatives such as under the SO2 regulations, life-cycle analysis was done in order to avoid early obselence and economic loss. With large energy units at a 7 to 10 year plan stage with expected lifetimes of 30+ years, has the economic costs including avoidance been taken into account in any of the analysis that you have seen. I have seen load factors as low as 10% with 20% as normal for wind. However, the economic analysis assumed the breakeven point at 30%. Without life-cycle analysis for existing and projected units, the economic estimations could be woefully incorrect.

]]> By: RogerCaiazza http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5058&cpage=1#comment-12991 RogerCaiazza Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:30:29 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5058#comment-12991 Maurice, I hope you are right. I am too cynical to be optimistic that will be the case. Maurice,

I hope you are right. I am too cynical to be optimistic that will be the case.

]]> By: Maurice Garoutte http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5058&cpage=1#comment-12960 Maurice Garoutte Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:35:53 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5058#comment-12960 Roger, you say “The feeding frenzy of lobbyists over all the aspects of the CO2 cap and trade is ugly now and will only get worse.” Since Congressmen and Senators are already out numbered four to one by lobbyists working on global warming, it’s really scary that I agree with that. But it may not happen. In a hearing last Thursday Senator Gregg scolded Tim Geithner on cap and trade like a mother dressing down a child. Even in politics reason has a chance to prevail. Roger, you say “The feeding frenzy of lobbyists over all the aspects of the CO2 cap and trade is ugly now and will only get worse.”

Since Congressmen and Senators are already out numbered four to one by lobbyists working on global warming, it’s really scary that I agree with that.

But it may not happen. In a hearing last Thursday Senator Gregg scolded Tim Geithner on cap and trade like a mother dressing down a child. Even in politics reason has a chance to prevail.

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