Comments on: US GDP vs. Carbon Dioxide Emissions 1949-2007 http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106&cpage=1#comment-13269 Roger Pielke, Jr. Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:36:00 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106#comment-13269 -14-Mike I discuss some of this literature in my recent paper on air capture: http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/admin/publication_files/resource-2716-2009.03.pdf -14-Mike

I discuss some of this literature in my recent paper on air capture:

http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/admin/publication_files/resource-2716-2009.03.pdf

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By: maurmike http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106&cpage=1#comment-13265 maurmike Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:38:32 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106#comment-13265 Roger That's a very informative page. Is 50% adsorption reasonable assumption? Thanks Mike Roger

That’s a very informative page. Is 50% adsorption reasonable assumption? Thanks Mike

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106&cpage=1#comment-13264 Roger Pielke, Jr. Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:31:25 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106#comment-13264 -12-Mike The 2.13 comes from ORNL, see Table 3 here: http://cdiac.ornl.gov/pns/convert.html -12-Mike

The 2.13 comes from ORNL, see Table 3 here:

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/pns/convert.html

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By: maurmike http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106&cpage=1#comment-13263 maurmike Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:21:59 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106#comment-13263 Roger Thanks. I didn't realize you calculated as carbon not CO2. How is the 2.13 number calculated? Interestingly it goes from amazingly large to amazingly small number. Roger
Thanks. I didn’t realize you calculated as carbon not CO2. How is the 2.13 number calculated? Interestingly it goes from amazingly large to amazingly small number.

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106&cpage=1#comment-13262 Roger Pielke, Jr. Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:33:27 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106#comment-13262 -10-Mike I get 255 Gt CO2, which is what I assume you get. To convert to C divide by 3.7, giving about 69 Gt C. Using your 50% for airborne fraction, that leaves 34.5 Gt C. To convert to PPM divide by 2.13, giving about 16 ppm. -10-Mike

I get 255 Gt CO2, which is what I assume you get.

To convert to C divide by 3.7, giving about 69 Gt C.

Using your 50% for airborne fraction, that leaves 34.5 Gt C.

To convert to PPM divide by 2.13, giving about 16 ppm.

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By: maurmike http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106&cpage=1#comment-13261 maurmike Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:27:39 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106#comment-13261 Roger When you total all of the emissions 1949-2007 you come up with 250GT. Using your 2.13GT=1PPMV this equates to adding 120 PPM. Assuming half is absorbed that leaves 60PPM for the US alone from just fuel. Since this can't be right what's wrong with my calculation? Mike McHenry Roger

When you total all of the emissions 1949-2007 you come up with 250GT. Using your 2.13GT=1PPMV this equates to adding 120 PPM. Assuming half is absorbed that leaves 60PPM for the US alone from just fuel. Since this can’t be right what’s wrong with my calculation?

Mike McHenry

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106&cpage=1#comment-13260 Roger Pielke, Jr. Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:47:12 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106#comment-13260 -8-Ian You are correct. The graph shows commercial US CO2 emissions, not total. I have updated the post to make this clear, and also added a new graph showing total US CO2 emissions, which jibes with your numbers. Thanks for the close read. FYI, the CO2 data that I used is here: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/ggrpt/excel/historical_co2.xls -6-Curt Yes -8-Ian

You are correct. The graph shows commercial US CO2 emissions, not total. I have updated the post to make this clear, and also added a new graph showing total US CO2 emissions, which jibes with your numbers. Thanks for the close read.

FYI, the CO2 data that I used is here:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/ggrpt/excel/historical_co2.xls

-6-Curt

Yes

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By: Ian Castles http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106&cpage=1#comment-13252 Ian Castles Tue, 07 Apr 2009 05:54:42 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106#comment-13252 Roger, Can you give a more precise link to the CO2 data that were used in the chart? According to my reading of the numbers for energy-related CO2 emissions in the EIA table, these are given as 5991 m. tons in 2007, which is only 2.75 times the level of emissions in 1949 - not the ratio of 4.0 that appears to be shown on the vertical axis of your chart. Am I misunderstanding your analysis? Roger,

Can you give a more precise link to the CO2 data that were used in the chart? According to my reading of the numbers for energy-related CO2 emissions in the EIA table, these are given as 5991 m. tons in 2007, which is only 2.75 times the level of emissions in 1949 – not the ratio of 4.0 that appears to be shown on the vertical axis of your chart. Am I misunderstanding your analysis?

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106&cpage=1#comment-13251 Roger Pielke, Jr. Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:58:07 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106#comment-13251 -6-Curt Yes -6-Curt

Yes

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By: CurtFischer http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106&cpage=1#comment-13250 CurtFischer Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:20:37 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5106#comment-13250 Are the GDP numbers inflation adjusted? Are the GDP numbers inflation adjusted?

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