Comments on: Scientists forming a 527 but will it be relevant? http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3952 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3952&cpage=1#comment-6045 Roger Pielke, Jr. Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:06:41 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3952#comment-6045 Kevin- The Chronicle of Higher Education http://chronicle.com/news/article/1055/science-activists-hope-to-make-a-difference-in-november-elections provides some further details on the group: “Political activists this week formed a new political committee to challenge political leaders—namely, Republicans, for now—who the critics say have distorted scientific findings to fit their policy preferences.” That Scientists and Engineers for America is supporting Democrats is not surprising given its origin as Scientists and Engineers for Change which supported John Kerry in the 2004 election (background http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/28/politics/campaign/28policy.html) “It is a successor to one that formed in 2004 to support the presidential campaign of John Kerry but then disbanded.” I have absolutely no problem with any group organizing to advance their interests, even if those interests are best represented by one party. That is democracy at work. Problems will arise if they assert that "science" compels particular candidates rather than clearly describing the values that they seek to advance. Their "Bill of Rights" is pretty hokey. And this statement is just bizarre: "While scientists may elect to withhold methods or studies that might be misused there shall be no federal prohibition on publication of basic research results." In any case I can't imagine that they'll have much electoral impact. Their contributions to the further politicization of science will be worth watching. Kevin- The Chronicle of Higher Education http://chronicle.com/news/article/1055/science-activists-hope-to-make-a-difference-in-november-elections provides some further details on the group:

“Political activists this week formed a new political committee to challenge political leaders—namely, Republicans, for now—who the critics say have distorted scientific findings to fit their policy preferences.”

That Scientists and Engineers for America is supporting Democrats is not surprising given its origin as Scientists and Engineers for Change which supported John Kerry in the 2004 election (background http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/28/politics/campaign/28policy.html)

“It is a successor to one that formed in 2004 to support the presidential campaign of John Kerry but then disbanded.”

I have absolutely no problem with any group organizing to advance their interests, even if those interests are best represented by one party. That is democracy at work. Problems will arise if they assert that “science” compels particular candidates rather than clearly describing the values that they seek to advance.

Their “Bill of Rights” is pretty hokey. And this statement is just bizarre: “While scientists may elect to withhold methods or studies that might be misused there shall be no federal prohibition on publication of basic research results.”

In any case I can’t imagine that they’ll have much electoral impact. Their contributions to the further politicization of science will be worth watching.

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By: Nathaniel Logar http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3952&cpage=1#comment-6044 Nathaniel Logar Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:08:21 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3952#comment-6044 That name also closely reflects Scientists and Engineers for Johnson, which promoted LBJ over Goldwater. According to Daniel Greenberg in his book "Science, Money, and Politics" that particular mobilization may have been one of the factors leading to the Nixon backlash, which included getting rid of the Science advisor to the president and PSAC. That name also closely reflects Scientists and Engineers for Johnson, which promoted LBJ over Goldwater. According to Daniel Greenberg in his book “Science, Money, and Politics” that particular mobilization may have been one of the factors leading to the Nixon backlash, which included getting rid of the Science advisor to the president and PSAC.

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By: kevin v http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3952&cpage=1#comment-6043 kevin v Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:48:07 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3952#comment-6043 Different only from this standpoint: nobody in DC thinks of the UCS as nonpartisan -- they are generally regarded as left-leaning, which makes it easier for Republicans to ignore their work. The SEforA seems from the outset to want to avoid this scenario, which they may or may not be able to pull off. Only time will tell. One thing to note: 527 is specifically a political advocacy designation, giving the organization the ability to raise and distribute money in election campaigns (which is not true for 501(c)(3)'s). One way the SEforA can make sure they stay nonpartisan is to support as many R's as D's in campaigns. Different only from this standpoint: nobody in DC thinks of the UCS as nonpartisan — they are generally regarded as left-leaning, which makes it easier for Republicans to ignore their work. The SEforA seems from the outset to want to avoid this scenario, which they may or may not be able to pull off. Only time will tell.

One thing to note: 527 is specifically a political advocacy designation, giving the organization the ability to raise and distribute money in election campaigns (which is not true for 501(c)(3)’s). One way the SEforA can make sure they stay nonpartisan is to support as many R’s as D’s in campaigns.

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By: Nosmo http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3952&cpage=1#comment-6042 Nosmo Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:13:04 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3952#comment-6042 I'm currious about how this organization will differ from the Union of Concerned Scientists which seems to be involved in the same sort of politics. The USC is a 501(c)(3) organization rather then a 527. There does not seem to be a mission statement on the UCS web site, but they do have a section on scientific integrity and political interference in science. Are the issues you bring up any different for the two organizations I’m currious about how this organization will differ from the Union of Concerned Scientists which seems to be involved in the same sort of politics. The USC is a 501(c)(3) organization rather then a 527. There does not seem to be a mission statement on the UCS web site, but they do have a section on scientific integrity and political interference in science.
Are the issues you bring up any different for the two organizations

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