Comments on: The Magic of Emissions Trading http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5064 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Reid http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5064&cpage=1#comment-13010 Reid Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:16:11 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5064#comment-13010 Don't be so cynical solman. At least the Mine Safety Engineer hasn't been corrupted by the consensus opinion for grants business that permeates the climate science field. I can't get any grants for my more CO2 is better opinion. That doesn't mean I am wrong. It just means my opinion is not fashionable at this point in time. Fashion changes. What was warm becomes cool and what cools becomes hot if you know what I mean. If you don't understand you will if live long enough. Don’t be so cynical solman. At least the Mine Safety Engineer hasn’t been corrupted by the consensus opinion for grants business that permeates the climate science field.

I can’t get any grants for my more CO2 is better opinion. That doesn’t mean I am wrong. It just means my opinion is not fashionable at this point in time. Fashion changes. What was warm becomes cool and what cools becomes hot if you know what I mean. If you don’t understand you will if live long enough.

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By: solman http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5064&cpage=1#comment-13002 solman Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:47:00 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5064#comment-13002 That's awesome news #5! An unpublished Mine Safety Engineer has calculated that CO2 doesn't matter. Even better news: If it turns out he's wrong, I can still solve the world energy crisis using the zero point energy converter I have hidden under my pillow! Zero emissions. The only problem is the sound it makes when it runs. It keeps giving me nightmares in which Al Gore, James Inhofe and a troop of singing penguins get stranded in a tropical rain forest and use a local deposit of coal to commit unspeakable acts. But its clean coal, so it should be OK. That’s awesome news #5!

An unpublished Mine Safety Engineer has calculated that CO2 doesn’t matter.

Even better news:

If it turns out he’s wrong, I can still solve the world energy crisis using the zero point energy converter I have hidden under my pillow! Zero emissions.

The only problem is the sound it makes when it runs.

It keeps giving me nightmares in which Al Gore, James Inhofe and a troop of singing penguins get stranded in a tropical rain forest and use a local deposit of coal to commit unspeakable acts.

But its clean coal, so it should be OK.

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By: Harold Pierce Jr http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5064&cpage=1#comment-13001 Harold Pierce Jr Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:13:41 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5064#comment-13001 Howdy Roger Jr! Who says we have to reduce CO2 emission? Lots of folks who haven't done their homework, that's who. You shoul read: "Global Warming: A closer look at the numbers" by Monte Heib available at: http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html Using data readily available in the public domain, mine safety engineer Monte Heib calculates that CO2 make only a minor contribution to the so-called greenhousse effect. He didn't mention the values of the absolute humidity and global Tmean he used for his calculations, which are probably ca 1 % and 15, deg C, resp. The so-called climate scientists will say his calculation are correct, but the addition of small amounts of CO2 to the atmosphere (ca 30 ml per cubic meter of air from 1950) causes an enhanced "positive water vapor feedback". Hogwash! The wind is by far the most important physical force that tranports water vapor from large bodies of water (e.g., the oceans) into the atmosphere as well as air pressure differentials. You should also check out: "Climate Change and Global Warming" by A. Marterman available at: htp://www.usefulinfo.co.uk/climate_change_global_warming.php Using a novel method of analysis of the CET, he shows that there has been no change in Tmean for most months for 300 years. He did find an unsual warming trend in the fall months, however. I can't imagine the boys in the Met Office are completely unware of this article, especially Phil "Phony Phil" Jones. Finally, go check: "Still Waiting for Greenhouse" by the late John Daly available at: http://www.John-Daly.com. First read "What the Stations Say" where he expalins his criteria for selection of weather stations for analyses of their temperature records. Scroll down and click on "Station Temperature Data". Note that many of these plots (mostly from remote and rural sites) show no change in Tmean for over a century. e.g. Alice Springs and other locations in the Land of Oz. Finally, finally, download and read. "Cyclic Climate Changes and Fish Productvity" by L.B. Klyashtorin and A.A. Lyubushin available at: http:alexylyubushin.narod.ru/Climate_Changes_and_Fish_Productivity.pdf? As I said, a lot of folks ain't doing their homework. Howdy Roger Jr!

Who says we have to reduce CO2 emission? Lots of folks who haven’t done their homework, that’s who.

You shoul read: “Global Warming: A closer look at the numbers” by Monte Heib available at:

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

Using data readily available in the public domain, mine safety engineer Monte Heib calculates that CO2 make only a minor contribution to the so-called greenhousse effect. He didn’t mention the values of the absolute humidity and global Tmean he used for his calculations, which are probably ca 1 % and 15, deg C, resp.

The so-called climate scientists will say his calculation are correct, but the addition of small amounts of CO2 to the atmosphere (ca 30 ml per cubic meter of air from 1950) causes an enhanced “positive water vapor feedback”. Hogwash! The wind is by far the most important physical force that tranports water vapor from large bodies of water (e.g., the oceans) into the atmosphere as well as air pressure differentials.

You should also check out: “Climate Change and Global Warming” by A. Marterman available at:

htp://www.usefulinfo.co.uk/climate_change_global_warming.php

Using a novel method of analysis of the CET, he shows that there has been no change in Tmean for most months for 300 years. He did find an unsual warming trend in the fall months, however. I can’t imagine the boys in the Met Office are completely unware of this article, especially Phil “Phony Phil” Jones.

Finally, go check: “Still Waiting for Greenhouse” by the late John Daly available at: http://www.John-Daly.com. First read “What the Stations Say” where he expalins his criteria for selection of weather stations for analyses of their temperature records. Scroll down and click on “Station Temperature Data”. Note that many of these plots (mostly from remote and rural sites) show no change in Tmean for over a century. e.g. Alice Springs and other locations in the Land of Oz.

Finally, finally, download and read. “Cyclic Climate Changes and Fish Productvity” by L.B. Klyashtorin and A.A. Lyubushin available at:

http:alexylyubushin.narod.ru/Climate_Changes_and_Fish_Productivity.pdf?

As I said, a lot of folks ain’t doing their homework.

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By: Benny Peiser http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5064&cpage=1#comment-13000 Benny Peiser Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:57:09 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5064#comment-13000 In Germany, the historical epicentre of the green movement, climate policy seems to have been thrown upside down. That's because now even the designated leader of the Green Party is now openly considering the building of new coal plants. Shocking? Not at all! It's called green real politik. Why? Because it's the only way the Greens would be allowed back into a coalition government after the federal elections later this year. At the end of the day real politik always boils down to saving the party - rather than saving the plant. So much for planetary emergency: "The designated party leader of Germany's Green Party, Cem Özdemir, has questioned his party's anti-coal dogma. He could imagine the construction of new coal-fired power plants, said Özdemir - but rowed back quickly because he irritated the membership of his party. http://www.morgenpost.de/politik/article1055925/Oezdemir_irritiert_die_Gruenen_mit_Energiepolitik.html In Germany, the historical epicentre of the green movement, climate policy seems to have been thrown upside down. That’s because now even the designated leader of the Green Party is now openly considering the building of new coal plants. Shocking? Not at all! It’s called green real politik. Why? Because it’s the only way the Greens would be allowed back into a coalition government after the federal elections later this year. At the end of the day real politik always boils down to saving the party – rather than saving the plant. So much for planetary emergency: “The designated party leader of Germany’s Green Party, Cem Özdemir, has questioned his party’s anti-coal dogma. He could imagine the construction of new coal-fired power plants, said Özdemir – but rowed back quickly because he irritated the membership of his party.
http://www.morgenpost.de/politik/article1055925/Oezdemir_irritiert_die_Gruenen_mit_Energiepolitik.html

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By: Parse Error http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5064&cpage=1#comment-12996 Parse Error Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:23:54 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5064#comment-12996 "Those who demonstrate against coal-fired power will get nuclear power plants instead." Now if only James Hansen would be so blunt while amongst his new-found friends... “Those who demonstrate against coal-fired power will get nuclear power plants instead.”

Now if only James Hansen would be so blunt while amongst his new-found friends…

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By: Jon Frum http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5064&cpage=1#comment-12993 Jon Frum Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:56:38 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5064#comment-12993 I regularly check in on the Speigel online English-language news site to get a moderate German/European outlook on the news. The week after they breathlessly reported that Chancellor Merkel was leading the world in the fight against global warming, they were reporting that German businesses had pushed back against the proposed actions, and Merkel had quietly climbed down from her high-flying proposals. The complaints from German businessmen? That German businesses would be at a competitive disadvantage if required to fulfill the proposed requirements. Which was the same argument used by.... George Bush. So now Merkel carries out Bushes' policies, without publicly owning the decision. I regularly check in on the Speigel online English-language news site to get a moderate German/European outlook on the news. The week after they breathlessly reported that Chancellor Merkel was leading the world in the fight against global warming, they were reporting that German businesses had pushed back against the proposed actions, and Merkel had quietly climbed down from her high-flying proposals. The complaints from German businessmen? That German businesses would be at a competitive disadvantage if required to fulfill the proposed requirements. Which was the same argument used by…. George Bush. So now Merkel carries out Bushes’ policies, without publicly owning the decision.

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By: EDaniel http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5064&cpage=1#comment-12992 EDaniel Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:43:53 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5064#comment-12992 There's some Science-Based Policy for you. There’s some Science-Based Policy for you.

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