Comments on: Evaluating Obama’s Science Policy http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5045 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: cspawn » Blog Archive » Has the Transition Affected Your Research? http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5045&cpage=1#comment-13207 cspawn » Blog Archive » Has the Transition Affected Your Research? Fri, 03 Apr 2009 03:35:56 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5045#comment-13207 [...] I’ll point to some stuff I wrote earlier this month for the Prometheus blog (here and here) on the general relationship between science and politics under the Obama Administration. Much of [...] [...] I’ll point to some stuff I wrote earlier this month for the Prometheus blog (here and here) on the general relationship between science and politics under the Obama Administration. Much of [...]

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By: stan http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5045&cpage=1#comment-12901 stan Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:58:19 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5045#comment-12901 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/03/using_embryoswithout_limit.html re: Obama's 'ostentatious issuance of a memorandum on "restoring scientific integrity to government decision-making" . Restoring? The implication, of course, is that while Obama is guided solely by science, Bush was driven by dogma, ideology and politics. What an outrage. George Bush's nationally televised stem cell speech was the most morally serious address on medical ethics ever given by an American president. It was so scrupulous in presenting the best case for both his view and the contrary view that until the last few minutes, the listener had no idea where Bush would come out. Obama's address was morally unserious in the extreme. It was populated, as his didactic discourses always are, with a forest of straw men. Such as his admonition that we must resist the "false choice between sound science and moral values." Yet, exactly 2 minutes and 12 seconds later he went on to declare that he would never open the door to the "use of cloning for human reproduction." Does he not think that a cloned human would be of extraordinary scientific interest? And yet he banned it. Is he so obtuse not to see that he had just made a choice of ethics over science? Yet, unlike President Bush, who painstakingly explained the balance of ethical and scientific goods he was trying to achieve, Obama did not even pretend to make the case why some practices are morally permissible and others not. This is not just intellectual laziness. It is the moral arrogance of a man who continuously dismisses his critics as ideological while he is guided exclusively by pragmatism (in economics, social policy, foreign policy) and science in medical ethics. Science has everything to say about what is possible. Science has nothing to say about what is permissible. Obama's pretense that he will "restore science to its rightful place" and make science, not ideology, dispositive in moral debates is yet more rhetorical sleight of hand -- this time to abdicate decision-making and color his own ideological preferences as authentically "scientific." What he said. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/03/using_embryoswithout_limit.html

re: Obama’s ‘ostentatious issuance of a memorandum on “restoring scientific integrity to government decision-making” .

Restoring? The implication, of course, is that while Obama is guided solely by science, Bush was driven by dogma, ideology and politics.

What an outrage. George Bush’s nationally televised stem cell speech was the most morally serious address on medical ethics ever given by an American president. It was so scrupulous in presenting the best case for both his view and the contrary view that until the last few minutes, the listener had no idea where Bush would come out.

Obama’s address was morally unserious in the extreme. It was populated, as his didactic discourses always are, with a forest of straw men. Such as his admonition that we must resist the “false choice between sound science and moral values.” Yet, exactly 2 minutes and 12 seconds later he went on to declare that he would never open the door to the “use of cloning for human reproduction.”

Does he not think that a cloned human would be of extraordinary scientific interest? And yet he banned it.

Is he so obtuse not to see that he had just made a choice of ethics over science? Yet, unlike President Bush, who painstakingly explained the balance of ethical and scientific goods he was trying to achieve, Obama did not even pretend to make the case why some practices are morally permissible and others not.

This is not just intellectual laziness. It is the moral arrogance of a man who continuously dismisses his critics as ideological while he is guided exclusively by pragmatism (in economics, social policy, foreign policy) and science in medical ethics.

Science has everything to say about what is possible. Science has nothing to say about what is permissible. Obama’s pretense that he will “restore science to its rightful place” and make science, not ideology, dispositive in moral debates is yet more rhetorical sleight of hand — this time to abdicate decision-making and color his own ideological preferences as authentically “scientific.”

What he said.

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By: Maurice Garoutte http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5045&cpage=1#comment-12867 Maurice Garoutte Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:15:12 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5045#comment-12867 It would be bad science to use the words of a research grant application to make policy recommendations to government. No one would to that. It is equally bad science to use the words from political speeches to judge how the administration will deal with science. Just as the value of a scientist’s work has to wait for a review of a final report; the value that a politician places on science will be shown by legislation proposed and passed. Or more simply: Trust but verify. It would be bad science to use the words of a research grant application to make policy recommendations to government. No one would to that.

It is equally bad science to use the words from political speeches to judge how the administration will deal with science.

Just as the value of a scientist’s work has to wait for a review of a final report; the value that a politician places on science will be shown by legislation proposed and passed.

Or more simply: Trust but verify.

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