Comments on: A Methodological Embarassment http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Scientist calls report of 300,000 climate deaths “an embarrassment” « WeGetIt.org Campaign http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314&cpage=1#comment-14171 Scientist calls report of 300,000 climate deaths “an embarrassment” « WeGetIt.org Campaign Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:39:33 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314#comment-14171 [...] In a comment he sent to The Times, Pielke expanded, calling the report “a poster child for how to lie with statistics.” He referred to a report  from Munich Re, the conclusion of which was that the signal of manmade climate change could not yet be seen in the loss data on disasters. In other words, it’s impossible to tell what deaths should be attributed to climate change and what should be attributed to routine disasters that occur without climate change. [...] [...] In a comment he sent to The Times, Pielke expanded, calling the report “a poster child for how to lie with statistics.” He referred to a report  from Munich Re, the conclusion of which was that the signal of manmade climate change could not yet be seen in the loss data on disasters. In other words, it’s impossible to tell what deaths should be attributed to climate change and what should be attributed to routine disasters that occur without climate change. [...]

]]> By: Extracting ‘Climate Refugees’ Out Of Thin Air « The Unbearable Nakedness of CLIMATE CHANGE http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314&cpage=1#comment-14148 Extracting ‘Climate Refugees’ Out Of Thin Air « The Unbearable Nakedness of CLIMATE CHANGE Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:15:29 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314#comment-14148 [...] ps Thanks to Ms Warner also for admitting that “the numbers [of potential climate change refugees for the future decades] are all over the place“. I guess there is no shortage of methodological embarassments… [...] [...] ps Thanks to Ms Warner also for admitting that “the numbers [of potential climate change refugees for the future decades] are all over the place“. I guess there is no shortage of methodological embarassments… [...]

]]> By: 315,000 | GetAnswers.ws http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314&cpage=1#comment-14147 315,000 | GetAnswers.ws Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:35:20 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314#comment-14147 [...] Roger Pielke Jr., a policy expert on climate change at the University of Colorado said in his blog that the report was “a methodological embarrassment” because there was no way to [...] [...] Roger Pielke Jr., a policy expert on climate change at the University of Colorado said in his blog that the report was “a methodological embarrassment” because there was no way to [...]

]]> By: Climate mortality by the numbers http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314&cpage=1#comment-14125 Climate mortality by the numbers Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:35:03 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314#comment-14125 [...] based on shaky data at best.  Roger Pielke, Jr., an expert on climate policy, called the report a methodological embarrassment, largely due to it’s inability to distinguish between deaths due to climate change and deaths [...] [...] based on shaky data at best.  Roger Pielke, Jr., an expert on climate policy, called the report a methodological embarrassment, largely due to it’s inability to distinguish between deaths due to climate change and deaths [...]

]]> By: Brian Dodge http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314&cpage=1#comment-14093 Brian Dodge Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:34:17 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314#comment-14093 In the face of declining Arctic summer ice extent, the inexorable southward march of Antarctic ice shelf collapse, continuing sea level rise(would you like to invest in some nice oceanfront property I have for sale in Bangladesh?), the global decline in glacial ice volume which threatens the water supplies of billions of people, the phenological changes disrupting ecosystems and driving tropical disease into temperate regions, and a myriad other empirical observations of the impact of AGW, it's a mistake to attribute the deaths to merely "socioeconomic" factors. Further, to wait until the numbers of deaths of victims rise to a level where we have a 90% confidence level that global warming is the cause is as morally reprehensible and ethically indefensible as the "science" of the Tuskegee experiment Unfortunately, more and more politicians are ill-advised by idealogically motivated economic and political "experts" who blissfully ignored the signs of the impending economic meltdown in 2008 and are equally myopically unaware of the significant risk that do-nothing climate policies pose to national interest and economic stability. In the face of declining Arctic summer ice extent, the inexorable southward march of Antarctic ice shelf collapse, continuing sea level rise(would you like to invest in some nice oceanfront property I have for sale in Bangladesh?), the global decline in glacial ice volume which threatens the water supplies of billions of people, the phenological changes disrupting ecosystems and driving tropical disease into temperate regions, and a myriad other empirical observations of the impact of AGW, it’s a mistake to attribute the deaths to merely “socioeconomic” factors. Further, to wait until the numbers of deaths of victims rise to a level where we have a 90% confidence level that global warming is the cause is as morally reprehensible and ethically indefensible as the “science” of the Tuskegee experiment
Unfortunately, more and more politicians are ill-advised by idealogically motivated economic and political “experts” who blissfully ignored the signs of the impending economic meltdown in 2008 and are equally myopically unaware of the significant risk that do-nothing climate policies pose to national interest and economic stability.

]]> By: Warming and Death - Dot Earth Blog - NYTimes.com http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314&cpage=1#comment-14045 Warming and Death - Dot Earth Blog - NYTimes.com Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:40:03 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314#comment-14045 [...] criticized by Roger A. Pielke, Jr., of the University of Colorado (here’s his full-length critique of the climate-mortality report). Dr. Pielke has a habit of getting under the skin of environmental campaigners. But he has [...] [...] criticized by Roger A. Pielke, Jr., of the University of Colorado (here’s his full-length critique of the climate-mortality report). Dr. Pielke has a habit of getting under the skin of environmental campaigners. But he has [...]

]]> By: dean http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314&cpage=1#comment-14010 dean Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:01:52 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314#comment-14010 First of all, apologies for my previous post here which should have been in another blog entry. I've had a lot problems posting to this blog recently. [maybe it could be removed?] But I generally agree with the criticism of this report. It demonstrates why it is important to go through peer review process, such as has resulted in the current consensus on AGW, which I appreciate Roger reiterating in this blog post. First of all, apologies for my previous post here which should have been in another blog entry. I’ve had a lot problems posting to this blog recently. [maybe it could be removed?]

But I generally agree with the criticism of this report. It demonstrates why it is important to go through peer review process, such as has resulted in the current consensus on AGW, which I appreciate Roger reiterating in this blog post.

]]> By: dean http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314&cpage=1#comment-14009 dean Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:20:41 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314#comment-14009 "Dire Predictions" is a laymens book, not a technical journal, and when I went to dictionary.com, 'projection' is listed as a synonym for 'prediction.' You're making a mountain out of a molehill here. It would be appropriate for the book to have a note somewhere indicating that the terms have a different meaning in a scientific context, but the intended audience, there is no difference. “Dire Predictions” is a laymens book, not a technical journal, and when I went to dictionary.com, ‘projection’ is listed as a synonym for ‘prediction.’ You’re making a mountain out of a molehill here. It would be appropriate for the book to have a note somewhere indicating that the terms have a different meaning in a scientific context, but the intended audience, there is no difference.

]]> By: jasg http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314&cpage=1#comment-14007 jasg Sat, 30 May 2009 10:25:23 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314#comment-14007 You can readily see why this kind of thing happens. These are all basically good people but when they talk about how to practically end world poverty then they are totally ignored. Yet when they release an error-prone, disaster scenario they get a lot of attention. It's a sad reflection of our societal priorities. You can readily see why this kind of thing happens. These are all basically good people but when they talk about how to practically end world poverty then they are totally ignored. Yet when they release an error-prone, disaster scenario they get a lot of attention. It’s a sad reflection of our societal priorities.

]]> By: EDaniel http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314&cpage=1#comment-14004 EDaniel Fri, 29 May 2009 21:32:07 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=5314#comment-14004 Has 'framing' become a physical realization of the Orwellian concept of Newspeak? And isn't it a double wammy; 'framing' is Newspeak for 'Newspeak'. Has ‘framing’ become a physical realization of the Orwellian concept of Newspeak?

And isn’t it a double wammy; ‘framing’ is Newspeak for ‘Newspeak’.

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