Comments on: The Future of Climate Policy Depnds Upon A Single Country . . . http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4657 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: jdelayknee http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4657&cpage=1#comment-11164 jdelayknee Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:17:29 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4657#comment-11164 Wanted to get this question out there befoe I got distracted so I apologize if it has already been addressed. Has anyone posted an analysis of the efficiencty cost associated with "Carbon Capture" that can be understood easily. Like CCT reduces the efficiency of electrical generation by x% Wanted to get this question out there befoe I got distracted so I apologize if it has already been addressed. Has anyone posted an analysis of the efficiencty cost associated with “Carbon Capture” that can be understood easily. Like CCT reduces the efficiency of electrical generation by x%

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By: Celebrity Paycut - Encouraging celebrities all over the world to save us from global warming by taking a paycut. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4657&cpage=1#comment-11163 Celebrity Paycut - Encouraging celebrities all over the world to save us from global warming by taking a paycut. Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:30:02 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4657#comment-11163 [...] By Roger Pielke, Jr.  Cross-posted from Prometheus [...] [...] By Roger Pielke, Jr.  Cross-posted from Prometheus [...]

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By: Raven http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4657&cpage=1#comment-11152 Raven Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:22:16 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4657#comment-11152 The bun fight in the EU is a microcosm of what will play out around the world because the "have not" countries when it comes to clean energy cannot afford to sacrifice their national interests in the name of the greater good - especially when it is not clear that those sacrifices will accomplish anything useful. When it comes to the relatively small Polish economy the EU may be able to bribe Poland into accepting the terms but that would set a precedent that the EU could not afford to pay as these climate changes measures are pushed on the developing world. Roger, You have done a lot of research on making policy in the face of scientific uncertainity but have you looked how different individuals and/or countries have different levels of risk tolerance and how the same information would led to different conclusions based on their level of risk tolerance? For example, the risk of injury while driving a motor cycle is easy to calculate. However, some people will look at the data and refuse to ride a motor cycle, others will only do so with full leathers and a helmet and yet others will ride in jeans and a t-shirt. All very different decisions based on the same data. I think these differences could play out at the national level where countries with a high degree of risk tolerance (e.g. the US) are going to be less likely to support action on GW even if they do not dispute the science or the data. The bun fight in the EU is a microcosm of what will play out around the world because the “have not” countries when it comes to clean energy cannot afford to sacrifice their national interests in the name of the greater good – especially when it is not clear that those sacrifices will accomplish anything useful.

When it comes to the relatively small Polish economy the EU may be able to bribe Poland into accepting the terms but that would set a precedent that the EU could not afford to pay as these climate changes measures are pushed on the developing world.

Roger,

You have done a lot of research on making policy in the face of scientific uncertainity but have you looked how different individuals and/or countries have different levels of risk tolerance and how the same information would led to different conclusions based on their level of risk tolerance?

For example, the risk of injury while driving a motor cycle is easy to calculate. However, some people will look at the data and refuse to ride a motor cycle, others will only do so with full leathers and a helmet and yet others will ride in jeans and a t-shirt. All very different decisions based on the same data.

I think these differences could play out at the national level where countries with a high degree of risk tolerance (e.g. the US) are going to be less likely to support action on GW even if they do not dispute the science or the data.

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By: Jim Clarke http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4657&cpage=1#comment-11151 Jim Clarke Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:29:41 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4657#comment-11151 "It is clear that the EU cannot allow its climate policies to be seen to fail..." Why not? What harm comes to Europe if there climate policy is abandoned or dramatically reduced? Economically they will be better off without the additional burdens. Will they lose prestige on the global scene? Who could cast a stone with everyone else living in a glass (green) house? They can always make scapegoats of Poland (and the US) and move on. On the flip side...what exactly does Europe gain if they pass their proposed climate policy? Bragging rights? I am not trying to be flippant. I just don't understand what they will win or lose. “It is clear that the EU cannot allow its climate policies to be seen to fail…”

Why not? What harm comes to Europe if there climate policy is abandoned or dramatically reduced? Economically they will be better off without the additional burdens. Will they lose prestige on the global scene? Who could cast a stone with everyone else living in a glass (green) house? They can always make scapegoats of Poland (and the US) and move on.

On the flip side…what exactly does Europe gain if they pass their proposed climate policy? Bragging rights? I am not trying to be flippant. I just don’t understand what they will win or lose.

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