The GHG data are available the EPA website here: http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/emissions/usinventoryreport.html. These are the official data submitted by the USG to the UNFCCC. (And they’remore recent than the EIA figures Ken cites.)

Ken:

I never said Clinton is a “climate criminal,” whatever that is. I only raised the point that Clinton’s GHG emissions record is much worse than Bush’s, but he seems to get a free pass from you. You still haven’t explained why (other than you think Clinton’s intentions were good).

Your argument that emissions fell under Bush because he had a worse economy fails to take into account emissions intensity, the measure of emissions per unit of GDP. The average annual net GHG intensity improvement under Bush, you will not be surprised to learn–actually, maybe you will be–is better than it was under Clinton: -2.8 vs. -1.7% over first 6 years of their presidencies (Clinton’s 8-year net GHG intensity was -1.6%). Bush’s numbers are superior for gross CO2 emissions intensity, too: -2.2% vs. -1.7% (-1.8% over 8 years). A slower economy can’t explain this.

And like I said earlier, emissions per capita went up under Clinton, down under Bush.

Emissions in 2007 almost certainly will come in higher than the 2006 level (largely due to increased electricity demand and a roughly 13% drop in hydro output), but 2008 emissions are running a fraction below where they were in 2007 at the same time. As I said, it is not an analytical leap to suggest that net GHG emissions in 2008 will be no higher than–maybe even a bit lower–than they were in 2000, the year before Bush took office (compared to a 17% increase over Clinton’s 8 years).

And Clinton fought so hard for ratification of Kyoto that he never sent it to the Senate.

Only to the Carbon-obsessed.

PaddikJ,
You really should have left off that ending piece – it undermines the credibility of everything you wrote above it.

Regarding the Clinton vs. Bush years – decarbonization proceeded per historical trends – there was essentially no difference. See: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/archive/gg04rpt/trends.html

Given that fact what makes it particularly damning for Bush is this:

While Clinton fought for the Kyoto agreement and signed it and then fought for its ratification, as well as the consolidation of scientific understanding, and a road map for tackling the rising crisis.

One the other had, Bush, in typical fashion said one thing and did the opposite.
From The New Yorker:

“Running for President in 2000, George W. Bush called global warming “an issue that we need to take very seriously.” He promised, if elected, to impose federal limits on CO2. Soon after his inauguration, he sent the head of the Environmental Protection Agency, Christine Todd Whitman, to a meeting of environment ministers from the world’s leading industrialized nations, where she elaborated on his position. Whitman assured her colleagues that the new President believed global warming to be “one of the greatest environmental challenges that we face” and that he wanted to “take steps to move forward.” Ten days after her presentation, Bush announced that not only was he withdrawing the U.S. from the ongoing negotiations over Kyoto — the protocol had left several complex issues of implementation to be resolved later — he was now opposed to any mandatory curbs on carbon dioxide. Explaining his change of heart, Bush asserted that he no longer believed that CO2 limits were justified, owing to the “state of scientific knowledge of the causes of, and solutions to, global climate change,” which he labelled “incomplete.” (Former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, who backed the President’s original position, has speculated publicly that the reversal was engineered by Vice-President Dick Cheney.)” see full text here: http://www.wesjones.com/climate3.htm

Guilty as charged.

But let’s not blame it all on Bush – I’m happy to put a great deal of the blame on Reagan too. Jimmy Carter made great efforts toward a renewable energy policy, yet Reagan immediately and systematically dismantled them. Joe Romm describes here: http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/08/who-got-us-in-this-energy-mess-start-with-ronald-reagan/

The fact is, that starting in a hole left by Reagan/Bush the Elder, and despite a Republican controlled congress hampering Clinton/Gore at every turn – there was progress on the science, technologies and on the policy. In 2000, the moment was ripe for a leap forward to far exceed the historic trends of decarbonization, but Bush/Cheney put a stop to it. Relentlessly, systematically and perversely, against the obvious logic of The War on Terror which would be to rapidly decarbonize – Bush/Cheney have intentionally mislead. They walked away from Kyoto and made it clear that the U.S. was going to do nothing meaningful to help solve the problem. The fat man was going to continue to pig-out and to hell with all the malnourished.

Now China was decarbonizing in the 1990s which stopped and reversed itself in the late 1990s. But this unfortunate trend significantly accelerated from early 2000s on.

While I don’t have the Communist Party Central Committee’s notes on the matter – it seems quite plausible that upon seeing the voracious United States saying to hell with decarbonization – the Chinese relaxed their efforts at control further and let the provinces develop at will, to disastrous effect: (From http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2008/03/10_chinaco2.shtml )
“The authors also pointed out that after 2000, China’s central government began shifting the responsibility for building new power plants to provincial officials who had less incentive and fewer resources to build cleaner, more efficient plants, which save money in the long run but are more expensive to construct. “Government officials turned away from energy efficiency as an objective to expanding power generation as quickly as they can, and as cheaply as they can,” said Carson. “Wealthier coastal provinces tended to build clean-burning power plants based upon the very best technology available, but many of the poorer interior provinces replicated inefficient 1950s Soviet technology.””
So I’ll grudgingly admit that while I’d like to place the blame for all the world’s problems on Bush/Cheney the initial halting of Chinese decarbonization isn’t one of them. However, if we did ratify Kyoto and if we did make a good faith effort to tackle the problem, (if Al Gore was elected president), I believe the Chinese would have made much greater efforts to halt the recarbonizing and at a minimum could return to the historic rate of declines. Why do I believe this?
1. They had previously demonstrated that they could modernize and decarbonize simultaneously.
2. They’ve made great advances in all aspects of sustainable development, if in limited scope, despite no binding requirements for them to do so.
3. They’re revealing their commitment (if still inadequate) on the issue, in their “National Climate Change Programme”. This action didn’t appear out of nowhere.

And if we do the right thing in the next Congress, I think the Chinese will be encouraged to take much greater steps toward what needs to be done in 2010 and beyond.

Finally, while decarbonization under Clinton and Bush held to historical trends (noted at top) – your insistence that Clinton is also somehow a “climate criminal” akin to Bush because absolute emissions grew more under Clinton than Bush is misplaced. They grew less under Bush because Bush had worse economic growth – not because of any decarbonizing energy policy. (Joe Romm has a rundown on it here: http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/21/bush-policies-cause-us-carbon-dioxide-emissions-to-soar-in-2007/ )
Again, nice try!

The faux-debate on R&D vs. rapid deployment of existing technology continues to rage. Why not both? As Roger noted in another article (sorry, can’t remember which), it was intense R&D that produced the alternate refrigerant to traditional chlorofluorocarbons; a fixation on mitigation-only could have delayed that.

Given that the US is close to a market economy, the activists who continually claim that present technology is sufficient for a carbon-neutral* energy infrasctructure, if only we would use it, might ask themselves why it hasn’t happened. They might check with a few of the people whose job it is to design, build & maintain safe & reliable energy systems; that is, the people who actually have to deliver on their promises, as opposed to the bloviating Al Gores of the world.

Roger is a recognized authority on science policy issues, so I suppose he’s obligagted to correct the more egregious distortions, but I think he’s wise not to engage; from previous ones, it’s clear that they produce a lot of heat and very little illumination (although Roger is to be commended for mostly keeping his cool). It is an obvious truism that activists tend to be excitable, but a perhaps not-so obvious truism that several science degrees (Wiki says Romm has a Physics Ph.D) appear to have little effect on this tendency. Maybe it’s genetic.

Saint, the stats you listed were surprising & interesting. Could you please provide sources? These are the kinds of hard data I like to have handy.

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*Pielke Sr. has long questioned the childish fixation on CO2 as the sole driver of humn-induced climate change (caveat – “childish” is my take). And even if it were, that rashly assumes that modestly elevated CO2 levels would be a bad thing. I’m not convinced; I’m first not convinced that CO2 has much influence, and even if it did, what is this magically ideal CO2 concentration that we’re supposed to stabilize? Pre-industrial? Surely you jest. Pre-industrial was the Little Ice Age. Anyone who wants to return to that should be stuffed in a time machine & sent packing. It is entirely possible that a little more CO2 could be precisely the stabilizing agent we need for a prosperous, humane future.

You claimed that China suspended its decarbonization efforts once Bush decided not to become a party to Kyoto and you claimed further that it would resume those efforts once Bush left office. Each of these claims was made without a shred of evidence, not even anecdotal evidence. I’ve shown that these claims are at odds with the facts (the Chinese report itself provides plenty of discussion on what China accomplished from 1990 to 2005 and what it hopes to accomplish through 2010). And I shouldn’t have to remind you that, regardless of the U.S. position, China remains a party to both the UNFCCC and the Kyoto Protocol and has obligations under both. So please, Ken, stop digging.

While you accuse me of cherry-picking the facts and taking them out of context (without specifying where I’ve done so), what we get from you is overheated rhetoric sprinkled with “it’s clear,” “I believe,” “may be,” and “I’d wager.” If my facts confuse you, Ken, it’s probably because you’re just not accustomed to dealing in them.

And you still haven’t answered my question: If Bush-Cheney, with flat net GHG emissions over eight years, is insanity, how would you describe Clinton-Gore, with a 17% increase in net GHG emissions over eight years? Maybe Clinton and Gore should be put in the dock, too, eh Ken? (It could get pretty crowded in there!)

A stark example of international pressure is the Olympics, where they radically slashed emissions in Beijing….and now are looking for ways to maintain the reductions they’ve achieved by forcing plants to upgrade prior to reopening.

I’d wager that if the new American administration demonstrates real effort in decarbonizing the Chinese will follow with gusto. They are poised to lead renewables – and we’ve seen all too well that when Beijing decides the country will undertake certain action, it does.

Saint,
Needless to say – the energy plan the Chinese released last year is an interim plan.

And Bush/Cheney deserve nothing less that to be prosecuted for crimes against humanity for their inaction/obfuscation and lies regarding climate change. The past 8 precious years may be the biggest lost opportunity in fighting the disastrous effects of climate change headed our way.

I see you, like Bush/Cheney like to cherry pick info, out of context to try to confuse….better luck next time…

Let’s put things in some perspective, starting on the domestic side. In 2006, the most recent year for which we have data, U.S. net GHG emissions were 3% lower than they were in 2000, the year before Bush took office, and it is not an analytical leap to suggest that over the full eight years net emissions will be flat. In contrast, over the first six years of the Clinton-Gore era, net GHG emissions jumped 11%, and after eight years were 17% higher—and this from the administration that set as a goal returning U.S. emissions to 1990 levels in 2000. The Bush administration also scores better on improving emissions intensity and emissions per capita (the latter of which actually went up on Clinton-Gore’s watch). Now that’s inconvenient. (I’ll also note that in 2007 wind accounted for about 35% of new generating capacity. That’s not bad for an administration that doesn’t care about technology deployment.)

If Bush-Cheny is insanity, what does that make Clinton-Gore?

Further, why Bush should get the blame for the Kyoto Protocol’s many and varied faults is a mystery. Kyoto was a corpse when the Byrd-Hagel Resolution passed the Senate on a 95-0 vote (which is why Clinton sat on it for three years). What’s the point in maintaining the fiction that it was a politically viable treaty? It wasn’t then, and it isn’t now.

But to suggest that the U.S. view on Kyoto led to an emissions binge by China is, well, risible. China, like many developing countries, has very little interest in pursuing decarbonization—unless, that is, someone else pays for it, a point that it never tires in making. The Chinese, Indians, South Africans, etc. are much more interested in providing cheap energy for their economies, and they are not particularly fussy about what fuel is used. For them, it’s energy access and security first, with reducing GHG emissions well down the list (though reducing air pollution is quite high because it has an almost immediate economic benefit). To believe developing countries will change these priorities with a new administration in Washington is wishful thinking.

(And I’m not sure what you mean when you say it’s “rational to assume” that the Chinese will resume their mitigation efforts once the “Bush/Cheney nightmare” ends. China has a climate change plan. It was released in . . . June 2007. Oh well, never mind.)

The irony is that it is the principles espoused by the Bush administration are beginning to resonate abroad, even with the regulation-will-solve-everything Europeans. I know it’s not popular to say, but whoever comes after Bush will owe his administration a debt of gratitude for injecting a degree of realism and, yes, sanity heretofore lacking in the international discussions.

You seem to believe that:

1. Chinese energy policy is a reaction to Bush/Cheney

2. Chinese suspended decarbonization efforts that were in effect prior to Bush/Cheney.

At least outside of Beijing, the Chinese who are planing and building new energy infrastructure would strongly disagree with both of these statements.

Pressure to move towards cleaner generation has increased enormously over the past eight years, and it is perceived as being almost entirely in response to internal pressures.

What leads you to believe otherwise?