Comments on: CCSP on Sea Level Rise http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4798 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Abrupt Climate Change, How Likely? - Climate Matters @ Columbia http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4798&cpage=1#comment-14177 Abrupt Climate Change, How Likely? - Climate Matters @ Columbia Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:39:04 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4798#comment-14177 [...] other comments on the report see Climate Progress and Bay and Environment. The Prometheus blog concluded from the report that we don’t know how fast sea level will rise in the 21st [...] [...] other comments on the report see Climate Progress and Bay and Environment. The Prometheus blog concluded from the report that we don’t know how fast sea level will rise in the 21st [...]

]]> By: Abrupt Climate Change, How Likely? : Climate Matters @ Columbia http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4798&cpage=1#comment-11426 Abrupt Climate Change, How Likely? : Climate Matters @ Columbia Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:11:31 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4798#comment-11426 [...] other comments on the report see Climate Progress and Bay and Environment. The Prometheus blog concluded from the report that we don’t know how fast sea level will rise in the 21st [...] [...] other comments on the report see Climate Progress and Bay and Environment. The Prometheus blog concluded from the report that we don’t know how fast sea level will rise in the 21st [...]

]]> By: stan http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4798&cpage=1#comment-11425 stan Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:04:26 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4798#comment-11425 "I have no illusions about getting rid of willful misrepresentations" -- Exposure is the best antiseptic. With traditional news sources going bankrupt in a hurry, I hold out hope for the emergence of a more balanced and honest news source; one committed to exposing fraud and corruption without fear or favor. If such a news source should ever emerge, the willful misrepresentations would be less prevelant. “I have no illusions about getting rid of willful misrepresentations” —

Exposure is the best antiseptic. With traditional news sources going bankrupt in a hurry, I hold out hope for the emergence of a more balanced and honest news source; one committed to exposing fraud and corruption without fear or favor. If such a news source should ever emerge, the willful misrepresentations would be less prevelant.

]]> By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4798&cpage=1#comment-11420 Roger Pielke, Jr. Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:04:56 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4798#comment-11420 I think the CCSP did a nice job reporting the uncertainty (Koni is a straight shooter I can tell you). By contrast, others not so good with the same information: http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/16/us-geological-survey-stunner-sea-level-rise-in-2100-will-likely-substantially-exceed-ipcc-projections-sw-faces-permanent-drying-by-2050/ Compare that breathless misrepresentation with the careful language reproduced above. Now I have no illusions about getting rid of willful misrepresentations, but for those looking for a more complete picture it is helpful I think to see what the scientists -- and in some cases the data -- actually say. I think the CCSP did a nice job reporting the uncertainty (Koni is a straight shooter I can tell you). By contrast, others not so good with the same information:

http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/16/us-geological-survey-stunner-sea-level-rise-in-2100-will-likely-substantially-exceed-ipcc-projections-sw-faces-permanent-drying-by-2050/

Compare that breathless misrepresentation with the careful language reproduced above.

Now I have no illusions about getting rid of willful misrepresentations, but for those looking for a more complete picture it is helpful I think to see what the scientists — and in some cases the data — actually say.

]]> By: Jonathan Gilligan http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4798&cpage=1#comment-11419 Jonathan Gilligan Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:32:03 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4798#comment-11419 "the scientifically correct answer, according to this report, is 'we don’t know.' It could be large, but it also could be similar to that of the 20th century" Thanks for posting this, Roger. This sort of thing is what I had in mind in my comments on prediction & uncertainty in the other thread on IPCC projections. It's far more useful to say,"we don't know" than to make up a "best guess" when there is so much uncertainty. You worry about "political Rorschaching" but is there a better way to report uncertainty? “the scientifically correct answer, according to this report, is ‘we don’t know.’ It could be large, but it also could be similar to that of the 20th century”

Thanks for posting this, Roger. This sort of thing is what I had in mind in my comments on prediction & uncertainty in the other thread on IPCC projections. It’s far more useful to say,”we don’t know” than to make up a “best guess” when there is so much uncertainty. You worry about “political Rorschaching” but is there a better way to report uncertainty?

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