Comments on: A Question for the Media http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4286 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: WHoward http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4286&cpage=1#comment-9289 WHoward Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:30:54 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4286#comment-9289 "Are you actually saying that the media has a bias towards studies that assert a global warming linkage over those that do not?" I think the journalists who have noted the media has a bias towards bad news, calamities, etc. are making a good point, and I don't think there's an inherent bias toward the idea of anthropogenic global warming in and of itself. I think there's a way to test this idea: go back to the late '60s and early '70s when the climate "catastrophe" people were worried about was global cooling. That is, there was concern that we were hastening the inception of the next ice age by the injection of sulfate aerosols into the atmosphere. Did the media then pay more attention, and devote more headlines, to papers suggesting "the ice age is coming" than to papers which suggested otherwise? This could be a good project for a student of science journalism, or of history of science. “Are you actually saying that the media has a bias towards studies that assert a global warming linkage over those that do not?”

I think the journalists who have noted the media has a bias towards bad news, calamities, etc. are making a good point, and I don’t think there’s an inherent bias toward the idea of anthropogenic global warming in and of itself.

I think there’s a way to test this idea: go back to the late ’60s and early ’70s when the climate “catastrophe” people were worried about was global cooling. That is, there was concern that we were hastening the inception of the next ice age by the injection of sulfate aerosols into the atmosphere.

Did the media then pay more attention, and devote more headlines, to papers suggesting “the ice age is coming” than to papers which suggested otherwise?

This could be a good project for a student of science journalism, or of history of science.

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By: Mark Bahner http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4286&cpage=1#comment-9288 Mark Bahner Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:01:00 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4286#comment-9288 "Mark Bahner asks, tongue in cheek: 'Are you actually saying that the media has a bias towards studies that assert a global warming linkage over those that do not?'" Actually, that was what Roger asked. I asked whether the Pope was Catholic. (The word on the street is that he is.) “Mark Bahner asks, tongue in cheek:

‘Are you actually saying that the media has a bias towards studies that assert a global warming linkage over those that do not?’”

Actually, that was what Roger asked. I asked whether the Pope was Catholic. (The word on the street is that he is.)

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By: Harry Haymuss http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4286&cpage=1#comment-9287 Harry Haymuss Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:33:36 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4286#comment-9287 Mark Bahmer asks, tongue in cheek: "Are you actually saying that the media has a bias towards studies that assert a global warming linkage over those that do not?" Making money is the prime directive. Alarmism sells. The only exceptions are the unemployed. Mark Bahmer asks, tongue in cheek:

“Are you actually saying that the media has a bias towards studies that assert a global warming linkage over those that do not?”

Making money is the prime directive. Alarmism sells. The only exceptions are the unemployed.

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4286&cpage=1#comment-9286 Roger Pielke, Jr. Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:14:08 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4286#comment-9286 From Lab Lemming by email: Dear Roger Jr., re: media distortion of exciting or confirmatory results vs. status quo: It happens in all fields- see this log of media reports of 2 papers on an obscure type of diamond: http://lablemminglounge.blogspot.com/2007/01/speed-of-science-relativistic-media-vs.html (sorry, can't navigate your comment sign-in) -cheers, LL From Lab Lemming by email:

Dear Roger Jr.,
re: media distortion of exciting or confirmatory results vs. status quo:

It happens in all fields- see this log of media reports of 2 papers on an obscure type of diamond:
http://lablemminglounge.blogspot.com/2007/01/speed-of-science-relativistic-media-vs.html
(sorry, can’t navigate your comment sign-in)
-cheers,
LL

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By: Mark Bahner http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4286&cpage=1#comment-9285 Mark Bahner Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:14:17 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4286#comment-9285 "Are you actually saying that the media has a bias towards studies that assert a global warming linkage over those that do not?" Let's see...is the Pope Catholic? Hmmmm... “Are you actually saying that the media has a bias towards studies that assert a global warming linkage over those that do not?”

Let’s see…is the Pope Catholic? Hmmmm…

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4286&cpage=1#comment-9284 Roger Pielke, Jr. Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:16:11 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4286#comment-9284 From Tom Yulsman: So here, in exaggerated form, is our situation: A reporter files a story saying that scientists believe hurricanes on global warming steroids will trash major coastal cities. This is, as Revkin says on Dot.Earth, a "front page thought." The headline will scream, "HURRICANES COULD DESTROY MIAMI AS GLOBAL WARMING WORSENS," and you can bet your bottom dollar that the newspapers will fly off the racks — or I should say that the eyeballs will fly to the page and stay there for awhile. (That will make advertisers happy, which will make newspaper management happy, which is why news editors and reporters are looking for these "front page thoughts.") Conversely, if six months later a reporter files a story saying that another group of scientists has found that global warming does not do to hurricanes what steroids did for Roger Clemens, people will certainly want to know that. But they won't be as inclined to want to know the details. The headline — HURRICANES NOT WORSENED BY GLOBAL WARMING — basically tells you what you need to know. In fact, the new finding is so much less provocative than the original "hot" idea, as Revkin puts it, that I had a difficult time writing a provocative headline for it. This story is simply not making it to the front page. And if it is competing with hot stories from Bali and the AGU, it may not make it to any part of the paper at all. My point is that assertions of danger, disaster, calamity, etc., are much more likely to grab and hold the attention of a much wider range of readers than a statement that, well, on second thought, the danger doesn't exist because of these highly technical reasons. In the end, this has nothing to do with a liberal or conservative bias. It's all about eyeballs. So, on to your question: Does the media have a bias towards studies that assert a global warming linkage over those that do not? I would answer by saying that studies showing a linkage between hurricanes and global warming are, on average, more likely to get more play than those that find no linkage —with this one key exception: If there is a good dose of conflict, then there is a greater chance that both will get near equal play. With the current study, I suspect that many science writers were so distracted that they didn't have time to make the calls to find the conflict in this story. But here's my prediction: As soon as Bali and the AGU end, and Kerry Emmanuel and others get their act together to issue a rebuttal, reporters will see a good, old fashioned conflict to write about. As a result, there will be a few stories about "the latest chapter in the global warming-hurricane intensity debate." Lastly, concerning "follow on" studies. The Vecchi/Soden paper does indeed follow on from Holland and Webster's research. And what comes next will follow on from Vecchi/Soden. From Tom Yulsman:

So here, in exaggerated form, is our situation:

A reporter files a story saying that scientists believe hurricanes on global warming steroids will trash major coastal cities. This is, as Revkin says on Dot.Earth, a “front page thought.” The headline will scream, “HURRICANES COULD DESTROY MIAMI AS GLOBAL WARMING WORSENS,” and you can bet your bottom dollar that the newspapers will fly off the racks — or I should say that the eyeballs will fly to the page and stay there for awhile. (That will make advertisers happy, which will make newspaper management happy, which is why news editors and reporters are looking for these “front page thoughts.”) Conversely, if six months later a reporter files a story saying that another group of scientists has found that global warming does not do to hurricanes what steroids did for Roger Clemens, people will certainly want to know that. But they won’t be as inclined to want to know the details. The headline — HURRICANES NOT WORSENED BY GLOBAL WARMING — basically tells you what you need to know. In fact, the new finding is so much less provocative than the original “hot” idea, as Revkin puts it, that I had a difficult time writing a provocative headline for it. This story is simply not making it to the front page. And if it is competing with hot stories from Bali and the AGU, it may not make it to any part of the paper at all.

My point is that assertions of danger, disaster, calamity, etc., are much more likely to grab and hold the attention of a much wider range of readers than a statement that, well, on second thought, the danger doesn’t exist because of these highly technical reasons. In the end, this has nothing to do with a liberal or conservative bias. It’s all about eyeballs.

So, on to your question: Does the media have a bias towards studies that assert a global warming linkage over those that do not? I would answer by saying that studies showing a linkage between hurricanes and global warming are, on average, more likely to get more play than those that find no linkage —with this one key exception: If there is a good dose of conflict, then there is a greater chance that both will get near equal play.

With the current study, I suspect that many science writers were so distracted that they didn’t have time to make the calls to find the conflict in this story. But here’s my prediction: As soon as Bali and the AGU end, and Kerry Emmanuel and others get their act together to issue a rebuttal, reporters will see a good, old fashioned conflict to write about. As a result, there will be a few stories about “the latest chapter in the global warming-hurricane intensity debate.”

Lastly, concerning “follow on” studies. The Vecchi/Soden paper does indeed follow on from Holland and Webster’s research. And what comes next will follow on from Vecchi/Soden.

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By: jfleck http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4286&cpage=1#comment-9283 jfleck Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:10:44 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4286#comment-9283 There's not much to add to what Revkin said, so I'll merely offer this anecdote from my newsroom. We've got a smart senior editor who likes to say, "We don't write about planes that don't crash." A story about doom is always going to be sexier than a story about not doom. It's a fundamental media bias that you can see all over the climate debate - the play Bryson's "European deep freeze" paper got, as opposed to the papers that can later disputing it, is my favorite example. But it plays out as a much deeper bias problem, and climate coverage is only a minor example. The coverage of rare diseases over those that routinely kill large number of people is another example. The coverage of one type of food-borne illness that seems extraordinary - contaminated spinach - over the far more common problem of improperly prepared and stored home-cooked meals is another example. We could shoot these fish in a barrel all day. There’s not much to add to what Revkin said, so I’ll merely offer this anecdote from my newsroom. We’ve got a smart senior editor who likes to say, “We don’t write about planes that don’t crash.” A story about doom is always going to be sexier than a story about not doom. It’s a fundamental media bias that you can see all over the climate debate – the play Bryson’s “European deep freeze” paper got, as opposed to the papers that can later disputing it, is my favorite example. But it plays out as a much deeper bias problem, and climate coverage is only a minor example. The coverage of rare diseases over those that routinely kill large number of people is another example. The coverage of one type of food-borne illness that seems extraordinary – contaminated spinach – over the far more common problem of improperly prepared and stored home-cooked meals is another example. We could shoot these fish in a barrel all day.

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4286&cpage=1#comment-9282 Roger Pielke, Jr. Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:18:15 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4286#comment-9282 Eric Berger sends in the following: I wrote one of the articles. Let’s start with the fact that the lede was buried in the paper. The news here is that natural variability within certain hurricane basins appears to be much more influential on hurricane activity than global warming. But the way the paper is written the scientists didn’t seem to want to emphasize this too much, perhaps because they didn’t want to be labeled as skeptics. But their findings, if potential intensity is a valid marker for hurricane activity is any measure, are quite clear: hurricane activity isn’t going to change much even with 3C warming in the oceans. Only a careful reading of the paper revealed this, however, and Nature’s news release wasn’t very helpful. At first glance the paper was quite confusing. (At least to the lay reader). I certainly can’t tell whether the paper constitutes a smoking gun. (I asked Kerry Emanuel for his thoughts, and he graciously replied, but his answer was too technical for inclusion in my article, and I didn’t fully understand it). But it did seem a lot more scientifically rigorous than most previous arguments against a link between global warming and hurricanes; which simply state we don’t.know enough about past hurricane activity to determine whether modern hurricane activity is unprecedented. This went well beyond the-hurricane-record-sucks-so-we-can’t-draw-any-conclusions line of reasoning. Finally, I thought it would be interesting to see if climate skeptics endorsed the research following my article. For to do so would require embracing climate modeling, upon which the paper is based. Eric Berger Houston Chronicle Science Writer SciGuy: http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/ Eric Berger sends in the following:

I wrote one of the articles.

Let’s start with the fact that the lede was buried in the paper. The news here is that natural variability within certain hurricane basins appears to be much more influential on hurricane activity than global warming. But the way the paper is written the scientists didn’t seem to want to emphasize this too much, perhaps because they didn’t want to be labeled as skeptics. But their findings, if potential intensity is a valid marker for hurricane activity is any measure, are quite clear: hurricane activity isn’t going to change much even with 3C warming in the oceans. Only a careful reading of the paper revealed this, however, and Nature’s news release wasn’t very helpful. At first glance the paper was quite confusing. (At least to the lay reader).

I certainly can’t tell whether the paper constitutes a smoking gun. (I asked Kerry Emanuel for his thoughts, and he graciously replied, but his answer was too technical for inclusion in my article, and I didn’t fully understand it). But it did seem a lot more scientifically rigorous than most previous arguments against a link between global warming and hurricanes; which simply state we don’t.know enough about past hurricane activity to determine whether modern hurricane activity is unprecedented. This went well beyond the-hurricane-record-sucks-so-we-can’t-draw-any-conclusions line of reasoning.

Finally, I thought it would be interesting to see if climate skeptics endorsed the research following my article. For to do so would require embracing climate modeling, upon which the paper is based.

Eric Berger
Houston Chronicle Science Writer
SciGuy: http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4286&cpage=1#comment-9281 Roger Pielke, Jr. Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:57:00 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4286#comment-9281 Andy Revkin offers some thoughts: http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/14/the-mania-for-a-front-page-thought-on-climate/ Andy Revkin offers some thoughts:

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/14/the-mania-for-a-front-page-thought-on-climate/

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By: Roger Pielke, Jr. http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=4286&cpage=1#comment-9280 Roger Pielke, Jr. Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:54:04 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=4286#comment-9280 Thanks Tom! You reply raises an interesting question -- What is a "follow on study"? Vecchi/Soden were not responding to anyone, it was original research. Holland/Webster was certainly not the first such paper, and in fact was written as a response to several Landsea papers, so was that a "follow on"? (If so, it contradicts your assertion about follow-ons getting less attention.) I'd suggest that neither paper was actually a "follow on". Are you actually saying that the media has a bias towards studies that assert a global warming linkage over those that do not? Especially when there is a political meeting ongoing as backdrop? Thanks Tom!

You reply raises an interesting question — What is a “follow on study”? Vecchi/Soden were not responding to anyone, it was original research. Holland/Webster was certainly not the first such paper, and in fact was written as a response to several Landsea papers, so was that a “follow on”? (If so, it contradicts your assertion about follow-ons getting less attention.) I’d suggest that neither paper was actually a “follow on”.

Are you actually saying that the media has a bias towards studies that assert a global warming linkage over those that do not? Especially when there is a political meeting ongoing as backdrop?

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