Comments on: What would Moby Dick think? http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3508 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:36:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Elizabeth http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3508&cpage=1#comment-1225 Elizabeth Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:06:39 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3508#comment-1225 Hi Thomas, I agree... it seems as if the Japanese government is working hard to construct their whale meat heritage, which again begs the question: what does scientific research have to do with all of this, if anything? :) Hi Thomas,

I agree… it seems as if the Japanese government is working hard to construct their whale meat heritage, which again begs the question: what does scientific research have to do with all of this, if anything? :)

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By: Thomas http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3508&cpage=1#comment-1224 Thomas Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:09:04 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3508#comment-1224 While Japan has been whaling for a long time, eating whale meat really took off after WW II when other meat was rare, so encouraging people to eat whale meat as part of some cultural heritage is a bit dubious. While Japan has been whaling for a long time, eating whale meat really took off after WW II when other meat was rare, so encouraging people to eat whale meat as part of some cultural heritage is a bit dubious.

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By: Elizabeth http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3508&cpage=1#comment-1223 Elizabeth Sun, 26 Jun 2005 05:51:38 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3508#comment-1223 Hello William, Thanks for the posting and point well taken re what constitutes 'lucrative'. From what I've seen in a variety of accounts, the sale of whale meat in Japan brings in about $40 million/year with the Japanese gov subsidizing about 1/4 of that. As we know from the petroleum industry perspective, for example, subsidization and profitability are not mutually exclusive concepts. From a research perspective, turning any kind of profit is certainly lucrative. What constitutes lucrative could also depend on what whale product is being sold and to whom. Some parts of the whale fetch extremely high prices in the swankier restaurants whilst other parts get canned. But even if the 'research enterprise' were unsustainable financially, and the whale kills were truly conducted in the name of research, I suspect the whale harvest would decrease in lieu of less lethal, and less expensive, means rather than increase which is what Japan wants to do. Interestingly, Japan is also actively marketing whale meat to the younger generation as an important part of Japan's cultural heritage. Both points underscore the fact that this issue is less about scientific research than it is about other considerations such as economics (Japanese food self-sufficiency or perhaps an attempt to drive demand), gastronomy, or values (Japanese cultural identity) rather than what constitutes 'sound' science. Hello William,

Thanks for the posting and point well taken re what constitutes ‘lucrative’. From what I’ve seen in a variety of accounts, the sale of whale meat in Japan brings in about $40 million/year with the Japanese gov subsidizing about 1/4 of that. As we know from the petroleum industry perspective, for example, subsidization and profitability are not mutually exclusive concepts. From a research perspective, turning any kind of profit is certainly lucrative. What constitutes lucrative could also depend on what whale product is being sold and to whom. Some parts of the whale fetch extremely high prices in the swankier restaurants whilst other parts get canned.

But even if the ‘research enterprise’ were unsustainable financially, and the whale kills were truly conducted in the name of research, I suspect the whale harvest would decrease in lieu of less lethal, and less expensive, means rather than increase which is what Japan wants to do. Interestingly, Japan is also actively marketing whale meat to the younger generation as an important part of Japan’s cultural heritage. Both points underscore the fact that this issue is less about scientific research than it is about other considerations such as economics (Japanese food self-sufficiency or perhaps an attempt to drive demand), gastronomy, or values (Japanese cultural identity) rather than what constitutes ’sound’ science.

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By: William http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3508&cpage=1#comment-1222 William Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:22:50 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3508#comment-1222 You say... "a lucrative whale-meat industry". Are you sure about this? Last I heard, whale-hunting was subsidised in Japan and Norway. I think (though I have no figures to hand) that it isn't profitable. Japan I'm less sure of but Norway subsidises it as a sop to the non-city folk. You say… “a lucrative whale-meat industry”. Are you sure about this? Last I heard, whale-hunting was subsidised in Japan and Norway. I think (though I have no figures to hand) that it isn’t profitable. Japan I’m less sure of but Norway subsidises it as a sop to the non-city folk.

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By: Elizabeth http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3508&cpage=1#comment-1221 Elizabeth Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:53:16 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3508#comment-1221 Thanks for your comment, Phillip. Your proposal certainly has merit and would force Japan into clarifying the real reasons behind the research. But here's a catch... the International Whaling Commission currently requires that the entire whale be utilized rather than be wasted after it is killed for research. So the whole system serves to support the commercial industry-in-disguise. Japan has also been pushing to end the commercial moratorium and may actually have enough support from member countries in a few years. Stay tuned :) Thanks for your comment, Phillip. Your proposal certainly has merit and would force Japan into clarifying the real reasons behind the research. But here’s a catch… the International Whaling Commission currently requires that the entire whale be utilized rather than be wasted after it is killed for research. So the whole system serves to support the commercial industry-in-disguise. Japan has also been pushing to end the commercial moratorium and may actually have enough support from member countries in a few years. Stay tuned :)

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By: Phillip http://cstpr.colorado.edu/prometheus/?p=3508&cpage=1#comment-1220 Phillip Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:21:19 +0000 http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheusreborn/?p=3508#comment-1220 I see a simple solution to this. If the Japanese Government insist that whales are killed for research purposes only, then they would have no objection to making the sale of whale meat illegal in the country. The only true incentive to killing whales then would be research. I see a simple solution to this.

If the Japanese Government insist that whales are killed for research purposes only, then they would have no objection to making the sale of whale meat illegal in the country.

The only true incentive to killing whales then would be research.

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