Brad Johnson, of the Center for American Progress, contacted me to ask if he could ask a few questions. The Center for American Progress is a Washington, DC think tank that describes its mission as follows (emphasis in original):
CAP is designed to provide long-term leadership and support to the progressive movement. Our ability to develop thoughtful policy proposals and engage in the war of ideas with conservatives is unique and effective.
Here is my interview with Brad:
1. When you told John Tierney you’re an “Obamite,” what did you mean?
The Urban Dictionary defines an “Obamite” as:
One who supports Barack Obama in his Quest for change.
I strongly support Barack Obama, did so during the campaign, and will continue doing so. His election was a great moment not just for the United States, but for people everywhere.
2. How regular is your correspondence with Marc Morano?
I suppose you are referring to the email from Mark Morano (a staffer for Senator James Inhofe, R-OK) that you “exposed” as representing a list of “climate denial jokers” (cute!). Looking back over my email records, it appears that I was asked in January, 2008 by Mark Morano if he could periodically send me an email newsletter. I replied “Sure.” As a blogger and policy analyst I am on many (too many) email lists, and I am happy to receive all of these emails from many different groups and perspectives, as they collectively give me a sense of what people are thinking and reading, as well as giving me pointers to information that I might not otherwise see. Our Center has an email list which we use to send around a Briefing every few months (sign up here). Such lists are part of the process of communication, so I am quite happy to receive Marc Morano’s emails.
3. Are there other “Obamites” who participate in discussions with Inhofe’s staffers like you do?
I am not sure what “discussions” you are referring to, but if you are asking if there are other people who support Barack Obama who receive emails from Mark Morano, then I am pretty sure that the answer is “yes.” Morano did not ask me who I voted for or support when he asked if he could send me emails, so I don’t think that is a criteria to receive them. If your question is whether or not Senator Inhofe’s staff participate in discussions with people who support Barack Obama, then the answer is of course they do. I’d wager that Senator Inhofe’s staff talks with many Democrats on a daily basis. In fact, Republican and Democrats often participate in discussions together, and sometimes these discussions include Independents.
As far as your line of questions so far, they are evocative of how, in the 1950s, Senator Joseph McCarthy went after people he thought associated with Communists. Here is an excerpt from one of McCarthy’s congressional hearings, this one with Aaron Copland:
McCARTHY. — Mr. Copland, have you ever been a Communist?
COPLAND. — No, I have not been a Communist in the past and I am not now a Communist.
Q. Have you ever been a Communist sympathizer?
A. I am not sure that I would be able to say what you mean by the word ‘’sympathizer.” From my impression of it I have never thought of myself as a Communist sympathizer.
Q. You did not.
A. I did not.
Q. Did you ever attend any Communist meetings?
A. I never attended any specific Communist Party function of any kind.
Q. Did you ever attend a Communist meeting?
A. I am afraid I don’t know how you define a Communist meeting.
Q. A meeting you knew then or now had been called by the Communist Party and sponsored by the Communist Party.
A. Not that I would know of. No.
Q. Did you ever attend a meeting of which a major or sizable number of those in attendance were Communists?
A. Not to my knowledge.
Q. Were you ever solicited to join the Communist Party?
A. No.
Q. Did anyone ever discuss with you the possibility of your joining the communist Party?
A. Not that I recall.
Q. I know that every man has a different type of memory, so we can’t ask you to evaluate your memory. Would it seem logical that were you asked to join the Communist Party, you would remember?
A. If I had been asked to? Not unless it had some significance in my mind.
Q. So your answer at this time is that you can’t say definitely whether you have been asked to join the Communist Party or not?
A. No.
Q. Are any of your close friends Communists?
A. Not to my knowledge.
Q. Do you know any members of the Communist Party who are Communists?
A. I don’t know any member of the Communist Party, as far as I know.
4. John Tierney asks: ” Can these scientists be honest brokers?” Do you believe Drs. Chu and Holdren are dishonest?
I believe that Drs. Chu and Holdren are scientists with remarkable records of achievement who are to be admired for taking on the challenging task of public service. I do not think they are dishonest. It is possible to differ with people’s views on policy and decisions while at the same time respecting them as individuals.
More basically, your question indicates a misunderstanding about the title of my book, The Honest Broker. The honest broker is not characterized simply by honesty (I argue that all four categories need to be honest), but by a willingness to present a range of options for decision. This is why I argue in the book that the honest broker role is best filled by a group of people (e.g., a committee) rather than an individual.
5. Do you identify yourself as a political scientist?
I have a Ph.D. in political science with specialization fields of public policy, American politics, and quantitative methods. I am currently a Professor of Environmental Studies. My expertise is in science and technology policy. So calling me a “political scientist,” “professor of environmental studies,” “expert in science and technology policy” are all fair.
Here is how I identify myself on my web page:
By some combination of nature and nurture I am an unreformed pragmatist, an unabashed policy wonk, and trained as a policy scientist.
6. John Tierney wrote: “To bolster their case, they’re prone to exaggerate their expertise (like enumerating the catastrophes that would occur if their policies aren’t adopted), while denigrating their political opponents as “unqualified” or “unscientific.”” Do you yourself believe Dr. Chu and Holdren are exaggerating their expertise?
I discuss John Holdren’s role in the debate over The Skeptical Environmentalist in Chapter 8 of The Honest Broker. I argue that scientists (on all sides of political debates) tend to engage in battles over science as a proxy for open debate over policy options. This dynamic intensifies incentives to cherrypick or selectively present information, which includes emphasizing the most (or least) extreme possibilities, and sometimes going beyond what can be legitimately supported. People then argue over the science as a proxy for what they really care about. Recently, I questioned several assertions made by Steven Chu about the future of cities and agriculture in California (discussed more below).
7. On “The Skeptical Environmentalist”: Do you believe that TSE does not contain significant scientific errors of the types discussed by Holdren at al.?
For about five years I used The Skeptical Environmentalist (TSE) by Bjorn Lomborg as a text in my graduate seminar, “Policy, Science and the Environment.” The assignment that I gave to the students, who were divided up into groups, was to evaluate one of Lomborg’s chapters in direct comparison to an alternative interpretation of the same issue. For the most part, this exercise revealed that the debates over TSE mostly revolved not over specific facts, but the presentation and interpretation of those facts. In many cases both Lomborg and his opponents got data from the exact same sources (often the UN or other international bodies).
Ultimately, the question of whether or not things are getting better or worse depends upon how one defines what it means to be “better” or “worse”. Similarly, even if people agree on the question of better or worse they might disagree on the reasons for that trend. Virtually all of the debate over TSE is a debate about politics, with the political questions displaced onto questions of science. And most of the questions of science are irrelevant to the larger policy questions, except as a basis for asserting who has authority in the political debate. In this debate we typically see people question views on science in order to impeach an opponent’s political perspective.
8. Do you believe Dr. Chu misrepresented the science in his LAT interview or otherwise deserves criticism for it?
Dr. Chu is of course entitled to his own opinions on how the future climate will evolve and how climate changes will interact with society leading to impacts. But I think that as a prominent public official he should be very careful offering up scenarios that are “worst case” or, less charitably, not supported by relevant research. Just as easily as one could challenge the future habitability of California, one could say that California will do just fine under some scenarios of future climate change and societal response, and after saying so find some bit of literature that ostensibly supports such claims. That sort of presentation would be equally misrepresenting the science. In this case Dr. Chu engaged in a bit of hyperbole — unnecessarily in my view.